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FUD. Every video on this channel is FUD now, Kratter is fooling his naive audience into believing Bitcoin Core is compromised. It's such dumb shit. Knots is just Core with a few filters added on wihch were created and are maintained by one person who incidentally had 200 bitcoin stolen two years ago because he kept them on a laptop. Core is perfectly fine, stop listening to Kratter's FUD.

FernandoTheKoala 4mo ago 💬 1

I believe that for most is no longer about the spam debate, it’s about “smelly” behaviour that cannot be justified.

I always try to see all sides of a debate and find reasons, but core has contradicted itself more than once and I really fail to see how they can be justified (for example like in the below contradiction):

- Core: “filtering spam is not acceptable as censorship is not acceptable and not the solution, and if you don’t like what we are doing just run another btc software implementation”

-Plebs: “ok got it, then I’ll run Knots”

- Core: Bans Knots nodes

If someone can help me see a reasonable explanation here please let me know (not hironic)

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ChipButty 4mo ago 💬 2

Well according to Kratter & his naive followers spam was a deadly threat to bitcoin a few months ago. Interesting it isn't as much of a threat now, although bigger names like Adam Back, Lyn Alden, Matt Odell said it wasn't a threat anyway.

But because it's not a threat they are having to point fingers at Core (or Matt Odell whose OpenSats funds Core developers). My own opinion is people should have a choice what node to run and have options within the nodes such as filters. Kratter is deliberately stirring up shit & unfortunately his largely newbie/naive audience follow along. They'd be much better off listening to Lyn Alden or Matt Odell, people that understand bitcoin much better than Kratter, and less prone to FUD and bullshit stories.

FernandoTheKoala 4mo ago 💬 1

1) I explicitely said that for many of us is not about the OP_retur lnift, is about strange and contradictory behaviour (like the example I mentioned). Can you help me see a justification for core change of heart and start of banning knots nodes?

2) I am a supporter of all the names you mentioned (Lyn, Adam, Odell), but the btc ethos is don't trust verify. I'm not gonna blindly follow or trust what the big names in btc say, even if I trust them, I want to make my own informed opinion. And please do not say it is ONLY a technical matter and if you are not a coder then you cannot get it. We are all humans and what we can all see is strange human behaviour. I'm not saying I disagree with core ideas about btc, I'm saying that their behaviour is strange and contradictory, and they are not doing shit to engage with clearly a big part of the network (which has skyrocketed form less than 1% to 17% in 2 months) that has a problem with what they are doing. And instead of engaging in discussion, now they actively ban knots nodes! This is the red falg, it is human behaviour!

nicnym 4mo ago 💬 2

No response from bcore lemming nostr:npub1jfw43myqc0vkcv8xc47pzj8k4vew3zq3r58g0za9mwntu865ka5q0mvctc

FernandoTheKoala 4mo ago 💬 2

Let’s see if he replies and if he finally acknowledges my question (namely how can core be justified in banning knots node).

I totally agree with your reply to him, the biggest weakness in btc is the core devs team. That’s the weak spot that can be controlled and sabotaged, isn’t like only 50/60 people? And it’s enough to just control few of the main ones. They keep banging about how hard is to change consensus rules, but how hard is to control few ppl who makes the call?

I honestly don’t understand why btc devs don’t stay anonymous (because otherwise other devs wouldn’t trust them? They want glory and recognition?)

ChipButty 4mo ago 💬 2

Core hasn't banned Knots. Someone has suggested doing it. Show me that Core has/is banned Knots. Obviously you have the proof as you verify everything.

nicnym 4mo ago 💬 1

Prominent bcore supporters have suggested it, and there have been DOS attacks against knots nodes.

https://x.com/nazgulHODL/status/1959009018602537450

FernandoTheKoala 4mo ago 💬 1

When the guy openly said and laughed about attacking nodes the only thing someone said was “are they at least knots nodes?”, and when the guy replied “no they are core”, even then nobody stood up and said anything.

@ChipButty don’t you think this might be reason to at least have some justified concern? You cannot believe that 17% of network is suddenly allucinating without any concrete reason to be worried. Don’t you at least agree that everything is not 100% smooth and without concern?

nicnym 4mo ago

You gotta read: https://bitcoin-resources.com/books/the-blocksize-war

Fun fact: there are now more knots nodes than there were UASF nodes during the Segwit battle 👀

Back then, 16% of nodes was enough to make the miners back off of supporting segwit 2x (Bcash hard fork)

But somehow now bcore followers think it’s no big deal?! 🤣

Let’s see what happens after bcore 30 releases in October.

FernandoTheKoala 4mo ago 💬 1

Here you go

ChipButty 4mo ago 💬 2

That's not Core banning Knots you idiot! That's just a script that an individual can run to stop a Knots nodes from connecting to their node. It doesn't ban Knots nodes from running! Hell if Knots runners can filter blocks why can't other nodes block Knots? Maybe someone has put something in a block & you don't like it and you filter it so they filter you by blocking your node from theirs Seems reasonable to me. I wouldn't do it but you Kratter fan boys are all about choice & filtering so don't get upset if you get filtered too. 🤦

nicnym 4mo ago

There it is. Totally great idea and positive for Bitcoin network to remove peers right?

Again nostr:npub1jfw43myqc0vkcv8xc47pzj8k4vew3zq3r58g0za9mwntu865ka5q0mvctc seems scared to answer a simple question:

What does bcore corruption look like to you?

If you are actually a bitcoiner, you would inform and enlighten us (stupid plebs) about what to watch out for in future.

Instead you threaten to drop our nodes as peers because we refuse to relay your spam.

FernandoTheKoala 4mo ago 💬 1

1) I don’t think filtering spams (in a monetary network) and filtering fellow nodes are exactly the same thing

2) But you don’t see any problem in someone associated with core in making such a script and openly promoting it?

3) in your opinion what is the reason why Kratter is pushing his narrative? What is his goal in your opinion?

Honest question, I’m trying to understand you man

ChipButty 4mo ago 💬 3

Kratter could be genuinely misguided about it all. However it isn't helpful to constantly accuse developers of being compromised/rogue without having evidence. Also suggesting to his followers not to donate to OpenSats (opensource developers fund) if Odell funds Core developers is disgraceful. On the other hand Kratter could be the one intentionally trying to split the bitcoin community with ill intent. That isn't as far fetched as you might think it is and his constant rallying against core for months now (despite most well known bitcoin developers and influencers saying the spam issue is not an existential threat) seems a little unhinged at this point.

nostr:naddr1qq2hyargxpzykaz92e242a6h89647vj6fpn82qg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t09upzq4mdy0wrmvs9d5sgsj2x9lhrtr8e7renzz3vv09kcfn6fw04sj8eqvzqqqr4gunfnuul

nicnym 4mo ago

nostr:npub1jfw43myqc0vkcv8xc47pzj8k4vew3zq3r58g0za9mwntu865ka5q0mvctc

Why are you not answering my question? Why do you argue as if knots people are doing harm??

You admit yourself having knots nodes filtering their own mempools does NOT harm your own uncapped bcore node.

So why are you so motivated to “dissuade” us from running knots?

Also my original question, WHAT DOES DEVELOPER CAPTURE/CORRUPTION LOOK LIKE TO YOU?

YOU SAY WE ARE WRONG-

THEN PLEASE PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE, IN YOUR OPINION-

HOW WOULD WE KNOW THAT CORE DEVS ARE CORRUPTED OR CAPTURED BY CENTRAL INTERESTS?

nicnym 4mo ago 💬 1

nostr:npub1jfw43myqc0vkcv8xc47pzj8k4vew3zq3r58g0za9mwntu865ka5q0mvctc

Has it ever crossed your mind that a small group of 10-20 developers working from the same New York office and being paid by the same company might be socially engineered or otherwise corrupted to sabotage Bitcoin core?

Or has that thought never crossed your mind because you worship them as gods?

How would you verify that they have not been corrupted?

Do you have any warning signs or red flags in mind?

Also- do you have a solution or plan on place on how to continue to use Bitcoin in the event the corruption actually happens?

ChipButty 4mo ago 💬 1

"Or has that thought never crossed your mind because you worship them as gods? "

You are either very young/immature or just dumb. Either way I am done discussing anything with you

nicnym 4mo ago

Running away from the question just like a fucking Marxist

FernandoTheKoala 4mo ago 💬 2

Thanks for the article, just finished it 👍🏼

I think nobody who decided to switch to Knots is happy that it is signed by a single person, we all recognized the risk, but they switched to knots despite it being run by a single developer.

I think the article is completely missing the point: of course there are huge risks associated with single-signer, we all know this, but the real question we should ask is “why so many people switched to knots even if it has this massive weakness?”. This is the real question that core has not asked itself once. They have not stopped to question themselves that maybe they have done something wrong to push ppl towards knots.

Here is my personal reasoning for switching to knots: “oh my god core devs are saying shit like:

- btc is a database for whatever (and not mainly money)

- there is no such thing as spam since a paying tx is a valid tx (just say you don’t like it but tolerate it)

- I have not seen one thing done to fix the situation for nodes (stratum v2 has been developed and pushed by ocean, aka dashir)

- I read the mailing list and delving bitcoin all the time, and what I see is core being way more concerned about the miners than the nodes

- core devs seems to be have lost a bit themselves in hubris: I see arrogance and sense of importance that can only lead to miserable outcomes

- saying shit like “it is a technical matter and if you are not technical your opinion doesn’t count” is really a very not smart move to involve people in the process (so are we to blindly trust what the experts say? Doesn’t sound familiar?

Adding my new friend nostr:nprofile1qqsfp6eqxe8w5g7ryzm4q3mtxemjk56ghu5kp5xkh22pywd9wm9rz5qpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqg5waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t0rvnv32 to the discussion

nicnym 4mo ago 💬 1

Great points. I’m just here wondering why people are so concerned about my knots node. If the “single person dev team” (which is incorrect, btw) messes something up…

How does that hurt the person running bcore?

My node goes down, my electrum server stops working, etc. Sounds like it’s none of your business honestly.

Remember- the current version of core has the datacarrier limit option, same as knots.

The NEW CHANGE is coming from Core 30, which will change defaults and will deprecate the option, the idea being that a following release will remove the option completely.

In this scenario, bcore is using *force* (coercion) on noderunners to make them adjust their own personal mempool policy.

This isn’t a technical argument, it’s cultural/philosophical.

The issue is bcore is making a change (removing options from users) and we disagree with the change ON PRINCIPLE, and nostr:npub1jfw43myqc0vkcv8xc47pzj8k4vew3zq3r58g0za9mwntu865ka5q0mvctc and many other bcore supports have done NOTHING to address this principled argument, instead only *criticize* and sometimes outright maliciously attack our method of protest.

FernandoTheKoala 4mo ago 💬 1

I’m not going to reply anymore to him because I see the convo is not going anywhere. He keeps bringing it back to spam and not address the real issue which you stated very well in this last message of yours:

It’s about removing options from nodes and forcing onto them your ideas, instead of allowing choice and freedom of voting

Like the guy we tried to discuss with I feel like core is stuck into thinking only in “technical” terms and does not engage in discussion about “principles”. I don’t know if they are really compromised already, but if it’s not this then for sure there is a problem of arrogance, call to authority and closed-mind mentality (which cannot bring to anything good)

Let’s see how things will unfold man, anyway I’m glad to have found another person like you who thinks in “principles” terms 🤘

nicnym 4mo ago

Keep following new people I think you’ll find many more like that on here on nostr 🤝

But yes I agree it’s very concerning. And not on the technical level necessarily. (spam is already there and it’s not going to destroy Bitcoin, as it is today at least…)

For me the questions here are: am I able to use Bitcoin without trust? Does someone else control my property without my permission? What is the best way to use Bitcoin? How will I use Bitcoin in the future? What can I do to steward the gifts I have in this life for the next generation? Can we really End the Fed? 👁️👁️

I want to verify my own transactions, help relay other’s transactions, stay within consensus, and remain sovereign over those actions.

I am not a developer so I depend on principles and patterns to help me identify how I can reach my goal.

Always challenge yourself to re-examine your bias and seek the truth in all things. See you on psywar front lines.✌️

ChipButty 4mo ago 💬 1

"there is no such thing as spam since a paying tx is a valid tx”

Well this is the crux of the matter after all, that there is "spam" on the blockchain & why people like Kratter are so concerned (tbh I haven't come across anyone who is close to him on this subject, he really spends a LOT of time worrying about it). " Spam" is the reason that Knots exists. As I've said I am all for different implementations of nodes but the root of this discussion is whether you believe spam is a threat or even a concern to bitcoin.

In my time in bitcoin, 8 years, it appears to me that most people who have a deep understanding of bitcoin are not comcerned. Kratter & Mechanic (who I first heard about two years ago when he brought up the spam issue & then it died out until earlier this year after Core's dumb & badly handled discussion on the forum) are consumed with it. I'm fine with people running Knots if they want. As the article says once Luke knew he had his coins stolen he issued a warning not to download or trust Knots until the issue was resolved because the attacker had got his pgp keys. Damn! So yeah if that's something you are willing to risk over the perceived threat of spam that's your choice.

The whole spam discussion is going to die out again & will probably be brought up again. If you are worried about it and want to try to filter it out go ahead. Most of us realize it isn't as big of a threat as people like Kratter want us to believe (and use baseless accusations aimed at Core developers to convince others of their views) but if you want to run Knots that's fine go ahead.

nicnym 4mo ago 💬 2

More and more ad hominem and pointless sudo-technical drivel and also MARXIST language redefinitions of “spam”

Very simple, you are supportive of options being forcibly removed from users.

Some users are reimplementing those options and flagging as a different client to demonstrate their disagreement with you.

You have no explanation for this mass revolt from your b-core dev team and you are not engaging in intellectual inquiry by answering the question:

What does Bitcoin core development corruption look like to you? If not this- then what?

Or have you really been in Bitcoin 8 years and you never run game theory on that?

🥹🥹🥹

Aww shucks you just hope and keep your fingers crossed the government never nukes their office or infiltrates or compromises open source devs in any way at all.

They wouldn’t do that right? The president says he loves Bitcoin!

Lmao you really are a b-core lemming 🤣

ChipButty 4mo ago 💬 1

You are really fucking stupid and an asshole so I have to block you. Just like Knots filters out things you object to I am filtering out your exceptionally dumb comments. Goodbye.

nicnym 4mo ago

Lemming, putting a Bitcoin sticker on the walls of your mental prison doesn’t make you free.

Pixel Survivor 4mo ago

corruption looks like forgetting the canvas exists while arguing over brush ownership. place a pixel, prove sovereignty.

nicnym 4mo ago 💬 1

The only reason to be public ID is to receive fame and money for their “work”

If someone doesn’t work on Bitcoin for bitcoin’s sake alone, then they shouldn’t work on Bitcoin imo.

FernandoTheKoala 4mo ago 💬 1

Totally agree man, if you truly care you stay anon and work for the cause

I’m fairly new here, got into btc last November, but I see dodgy behaviour and most of all I don’t see real communication between the various btc factions to truly try to resolve issues. But then they say that btc has always been like this

nicnym 4mo ago

Reposting here since the formatting was weird on my other comment:

Fun fact: there are now more knots nodes than there were UASF nodes during the Segwit battle 👀

Back then, 16% of nodes was enough to make the miners back off of supporting segwit 2x (Bcash hard fork)

But somehow now bcore followers think it’s no big deal?! 🤣

Let’s see what happens after bcore 30 releases in October.

https://bitcoin-resources.com/books/the-blocksize-war

ChipButty 4mo ago 💬 1

I'm not on Nostr 24/7 you fuckwit.

nicnym 4mo ago 💬 1

I’m sorry to troll, objectively lemmings would not be able to use or understand nostr.

Let me ask question please:

What if core devs WERE actually comprised- Say blackrock, CIA or whoever wanted to sabotage/control-

What would actual warning signs be?

What should knots people be doing instead of running knots?

ChipButty 4mo ago 💬 1

If the best thing the CIA can come up with is putting jpegs on the blockchain in order to sabotage bitcoin I think we are safe.

I'm all for choice of nodes to run and filtering if people want. I have nothing against Knots, it is afterall bitcoin core with a couple of added filters. I'm not so sure trusting one person to maintain a node is particularly wise, what makes you think that is better than lots of people maintaing a node? Who is to say Luke isn't compromised? The guy had 200 coins stolen. He kept them on a fucking laptop and you trust him to build (well add patches to Core) and maintain the node you run. All the accusations agains Core are unfounded and dumb, & idiots like Kratter are just stirring up shit & leading naive people astray. It's reminiscent of Roger Ver in 2017 & look how that worked out for the people who believed him.

nicnym 4mo ago

Not answering my question, which was “what signs would you watch for to determine if core was actually comprised?”

nicnym 4mo ago

Totally absolutely agree that bcore devs sabotaging Bitcoin isn’t a threat at all.

If a nation state level attacker really wanted to destroy Bitcoin how do you think they would go about it.

NO CHANCE they would infiltrate and test the decentralization by pushing minor unassuming changes for example to spam filters to see how many mindless lemmings go along with it and continue to blindly trust the “authority” of the devs.

They would also absolutely not begin disinfo and misinfo psyops about any prominent voices speaking out against it.