About to decommission my simple Raspberry Pi 4 - 8GB due to utter bullshit.

For the Start9 DIY’ers you understood there was a few affordable options to run StartOS and a Bitcoin Stack. Time expired on the latter.

Since the spam, since the bloat… the simple solution to node running is becoming obsolete.

At this rate we will be talking 4TB hard drives, juicy CPU’s and a higher demand on your local internet provider for initial downloads and every day operation in the years to come.

All of which is not conducive to node network growth.

When I price out building my own node for the future, let’s say 10 years time the cost is expensive.

I get that technology demand is a thing. I get that change is inevitable and blockchain growth will lead to a larger initial download but why wouldn’t everything we do as a network of plebs focus on the lowest common denominator, the lowest barrier of entry.

Simply put… node running will not be for the poors.

The profit of VC’s, spammers, scammers, dishonorable miners and overall bad actors in Bitcoin will have a trade off…. The node network.

We can do better. 🫡

-End of Rant-

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Those bitcoin "VCs", including Core Devs are just scammers.

Satoshi Nakamoto: "Bitcoin users might [need to] get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices."

he knew.

But current devs know better, right?

Huh? Current devs are trying to limit the damage by getting spam to move away from UTXO bloating methods.

No they are not, they are trying to anticipate future usecases and behaviour from bad actors, which essentially boils down to negotiation with spammers (terrorists).

If you're right and filters are the only thing keeping Bitcoin from being destroyed by spammers then we are fucked anyway. As distasteful as spam is, the smooth functioning of the network and keeping the cost of running a node down is a higher priority imo. The fee market will determine what the best use of blockspace is.

The only thing that keeps Bitcoin from being destroyed are node runers, and filters are just part of the toolkit.

Are you going to sell all your Bitcoin if the change gets merged?

No, but I get the feeling a lot more people will run to Knots than right now. If Core continues to fuck around, they will find out.

From what I understand it's the opposite

There are a lot of baseless accusations being thrown around.

The used (aka cheapo) laptop with 2 tb ssd is the way to go these days. That is more than enough to run core/knots, c lightning / lnd, and the OS.

Are you pricing your 2035 node in BTC or USD? Pretty sure it'll be cheaper with the former.

Best point.

I upgraded secondary ssd in my pc some years ago.

Used the spare one for my node.

2years later got a biger one for half in $, 1/4 in ₿

In 10 years you’ll have:

- cheaper and faster drives

- cheaper and faster ram

- cheaper and faster CPUs

- cheaper and faster internet

We could advocate to a smaller Bitcoin history, but, honestly? That’s irrelevant. Unless we are talking about 1Tb data every 6 months.

To run your own node can be costly today, but comparing just 5 years ago, the price has decreased and the technology increased. Especially if you price things in Bitcoin.

That’s my 2 cents. I own several bitcoin core, and lightning nodes. Each has around 4Tb of SSD I acquired a couple of years ago. The price dropped almost 40% from the original price I paid. In bitcoin terms it became almost free.

Could IBD be torrented? In theory shouldn't all of our nodes have the same blocks

Would you trust a blockchain that wasn’t verified yourself? How could you determine if the chain you download over torrent hasn’t been altered? Fast Sync is available, but it’s always a good idea to verify it yourself, as the saying goes, “don’t trust, verify.”

I don't trust anything I can't verify. That is faith territory

Yes, exactly.

10 years down the road from now.. your node needs to accommodate up to about 200GB of growth since segwit, so you will need 2TB more than now if you don't plan to upgrade any in those 10 years. It's rare to run systems that long without an upgrade, but it sure is nice to know you can do it on a 4TB drive. So your total node price is gonna be in the ballpark of $500 in today's prices. I upgraded last year from a rpi 4 8gb to a refurbished Dell optiplex and only put 2tb in it, knowing I'd upgrade to 4tb or 8tb in a few more years when prices come down more.

Literally shopping an Optiplex 7050 mini now. This whole experiment is what led me to truly thinking about the network adoption.

I settled on this from Amazon a year and a half ago for $113 (now $104). Added a 2TB drive. The power stability alone was worth it vs raspberry pi node. Then follow the Minibolt guide if you want some sovereignty.

Dell OptiPlex 5050 SFF PC Desktop Computer, 3.4GHz Intel i5-7500, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, Windows 10 Pro 64bit(Renewed)

You added an internal drive or usb?

I replaced the 256gb drive with a 2tb nvme

Raspberry Pis are ewaste. I have been saying this for years. Also, you don't have to run a full node, a pruned node is fine for 99.9% of people.

ewaste from corps is dirt cheap and about to see an even bigger influx from windows 10 support dropping.

2tb NVMe with x86 in a used device will chain sync in well under a week for under $300 today.

This. Get one of those phased out thin clients from your local mega corp or ebay. Small, quiet, powerful enough to hold for a while.

I used a mini pc. Added a 2tb ssd and 2 bitaxe gammas. It was just under $1000

I paid for it with bitcoin that I’ve earned on Coinbase doing all of their shitcoin slide shows and converting the rewards to bitcoin.

Thank you Coinbase and shitcoiners for paying for my self sovereign bitcoin node and solo miners!

I have a pi 5 running on a 1TB with umbrel i have difficulties upgrading, so i decided to spin up a start9 VM on my Proxmox. Thing is syncing for nearly two weeks already.

Yeah I was considering a Pi 5 but figured why do this again in 2 years.

2 years about my Pi 4 was completely fine.

*2 years ago*

I built mine with a refurb dell micro I got for like $80 and added a new SSD. WAY more powerful than most a pi

Literally been shopping the dell opti 7050 micro.

This is the way

just spun up a freshy on a 7070 i7 micro. been really nice so far.

What OS you using?

Start9

This is the way.

debian for me

Synced in about 26-28hrs (like a year ago)

I recently had to upgrade from Pi4 to mini-PC myself.

Furthermore, I thought 1TB could last few more years, but nada.

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My Pi crashed this past weekend when the cpu spiked past 105%. Running LND, CLN, mempool, knots, electrum, and a few other apps. I now have any app I’m not using stopped, unless directly related to node running. It’s too bad really, but I may have to retire mine sooner than later as well. Will keep an eye out for sales on Start 9

Which Pi you running

Pi4 8 gb with a 2tb storage

Just run knots! 😂

"LOOK MOM, I'M FILTOOOOOOOOOOOORING! If that doesn't stop the spammers imma SHUT DOWN MY NODE!"

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Have you ever heard about nostr:nprofile1qqsfpyz5zxlhsvwkgdfer5d9yef9x3z52s9k3dh8fuc0xdyrngha3eqpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucm4wfex2mn59en8j6gpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejqf5naru CmRat? $30 Carrier Board that supports Raspberry Compute Modules, Radxa etc. Upgradable, Open, NVME on board, PoE, Economical. I use that with a Radxa CM3 to run knots and it’s very fast.

Planning on setting up a node, waiting on the pi in the mail, internet is the biggest hurdle here. It's going to be expensive to run.

Buy a (refurbished) mini pc, wipe it, throw Linux on it and you're good to go. Cheaper than a Raspberry PI even.

And then... Let's fix the filters 🔥

You can run a Start9 on a cheap mini-pc. It’s not expensive at all.

meanwhile I will keep running a node on my rpi4 with 4GB of ram, will get a new hardware only when it dies.

I bought a cheap mini PC and plugged in an external drive that I had and it works pretty well