I am amazed and saddened by the reaction of a Christian who becomes so easily offended by my words that he persists in quoting Bible verses to condemn anything that does not align with his personal interpretation. I kindly suggest embracing the presence of the Holy Spirit and engaging in a heartfelt conversation with Him. I am confident in my relationship with God and grateful for the valuable experiences and wisdom that He has graciously bestowed upon me. Please direct your judgments elsewhere and may you be blessed, ser. 🕊️✌🏻☺️ nostr:note1c2l4kxupzxsfeqal63c05f0nrsqauwjtqvkpa387wc4nytypmx4qzdey50
Discussion
Love these convos. Well this one isn’t going perfectly, it can be really hard to though. I’d love to see a continuation of the convo here! What’s the difference in epistemic foundation that leads both of you feel the other is wrong? 🫂
Here’s my thoughts:
Fuel your spirit - cross pollinate across cultures, across language, across creed, across taboo subjects. Broaden your exposure.
Someone’s cultural background determines what they’re truly hearing within your message. The broader the girth of your experiences, the more God can use you as His instrument. Cross-pollinate without judgement. Use no weapons. Listen to understand from the messengers lens. Listen to their words and allow yourself to identify and experience what they are feeling in that moment and in the seasons they conquered to get to that very moment. Create a fellowship of transparency so that you can truly cultivate intelligence with empathy in each moment for all parties.
Don’t be talked out of your true intention or be talked down from the place that God has given you. So many are talked out of allowing themselves to experience their Spirit of truth by someone that has never been aligned to the root of their heart; their true intention.
Potency that penetrates the human soul is connection. Authentic Human Connection. Kindness matters. If we instantly condemn others for their own unique perspectives, then we gain nothing.
Hmm to go there or not? Meh. Sadly diatics is has and hopefully won't always be speculation. Sadly we know very little.
Love it. I can see the genuine passion that comes through.
The “Spirit of truth” that you refer to, is there somewhere I read more about what you’re referring to? I have an idea, but don’t want to 1. Impose too much of you in asking for a long explanation haha 2. Assume my notion is right
Thank you for your kindness. To put it simply: 
That sounds adjacent to quite a few different approaches. Is this part of a specific religion or something else that i could use as a key word when searching?
I’m wondering about questions like whether there is a body of work on how the epistemology you’re referring to suggests dealing with for example the well-studied human biases etc.
Is that bible vers what copy. I've read the king James but am unfamiliar with other versions.
NIV - I chose NIV because it was easier for me to understand. I wasn’t raised in a church. I found Holy Spirit while on my knees in a season of despair asking “the universe” “God” whoever or whatever was out there to help me… long story short, it led me to my own unique personal relationship with Holy Spirit. And I’ve never looked back. 🤍
It’s John 14:17.
The Bible was written by man. Taking it word for word and literally, to the point that anyone that doesn’t becomes thought of as a lesser person is problem number one. Imo.
If we don’t trust what is written by man in 2023, why In God’s name, would we trust what was written by man centuries ago?
But, like Socrates, I know that I know nothing (paraphrasing). So these conversations are lost on me. I have no interest in portraying my flawed point of view to be absolute truth or swaying anyone to believe what I believe.
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But thats wrong. The bible was written by men.
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An argument can be made for centuries' old man to be vastly more trustworthy than 2023 man.
I'd put that on a parlay if I were a betting man, actually.
As would I. They were closer to God than we are. Less distractions. More reflection. But that still doesn’t stop my skepticism about men writing a book that had the power to start war, cause “holy men” to turn on the “unholy”. Perhaps sieze land, seize wives? Idk.. all I know is the Bible wields power in a way that a loving god would disagree with IMO, as we see from what’s literally happening at this moment. Again. I KNOW NOTHING
Well-put.
And certainly something worth talking about, just for the exercise it would do for our minds.
Thats what wakefield said.
holy men don't write books promoting war.
the whole "promised land" story was probably a propaganda campaign.
the entire pentateuch, the first 5 books of the bible, were written BEFORE the jews existed. I believe that it was in fact the phonecians' scripture, and idk if you know about the phonecians but they were basically pirates. liars, thieves and rapists of various colours and shapes.
anyhow, that's something of a controversial view, since it is foundational for both judaism and christianity. the book of enoch goes into quite some detail about several things that appear in these 5 books that are essential and core, and they disagree on several points, and one of them being this zionist chosen people horseshit.
i read a good article some time back that discusses the subject of the way that history turns into legend turns into myth, and it speculated exactly that, that the promised land story was precisely a propaganda campaign to rally the tribes to invade neighbours land.
Interesting. I don’t know about any of that. I went to catholic school for 12 years, that’s the basis of my “knowledge” or lack there of
i highly recommend reading "the book of enoch" if you want to have your head cracked open about the real roots of the abrahamic faiths.
angels are humans too.
there is even remnants of this information, read the later chapters of Revelation, the angel admonishes John not to worship him "we are the same".
in enoch, the angel in charge of dealing with the great flood also expresses regret at not being more careful with who got on the boat with Noah.
the shining angels are humans with advanced knowledge and tech, and some of them use it for evil. just spoiling it for you, but still, go read it. it's not that hard a read except for the big long parable section which is a bit funny.
i would argue that the more time and the more times the story has been copied and retold the more likely it is to be modified to suit someone's agenda.
the only way to eliminate this is to cross-reference it with contemporary texts that they agree on points. and this can also be a problem, because those who would manipulate "holy books" for political ends are probably also burning books.
the naivete of so many sects of the "people of the book" in its various flavours in it being "the word of god" is a totally disingenous expression and an entirely arguable point that should not form the foundation of faith.
Sound logic