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You were asking why Israel can have nukes and Iran can't. I told you the reason. You replied with "who are the Amalekites". That is basically the definition of whataboutism. Calling that a cop-out just proves you have no actual point to answer my point with. No go and do whatever, you are not entitled to my time.

Adam Snyder 6mo ago

Nah dude. You said Iran can't because they "want to exterminate a race," they obviously don't, because they have the second largest Jewish population in the region after Israel itself and any Jew who thought they were going to be murdered could flee to Israel and be given a home.

The Amelekites question is pertinent. Netanyahu and other Israeli officials have called the Gazan Palestinians "amalekites," a people group that the Hebrews were supposed to slaughter man, woman and child, destroy their livestock and possessions. The modern state of Israel has always presented itself as a second incarnation of the post-exodus Israelites, and now they are literally driving bulldozers over entire cities and settlements.

In other words, both countries have expressed genocidal intent. But only one is actually acting on it. Neither should have nukes, but the one that is actively killing women and children actually does have nukes, the other is led by a theocrat who claims WMD are against their religion.

I'm saying we should keep our nose out of it and not tip the scale towards one, because both aren't worth being "on the side" of.

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Vincent 6mo ago

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Adam Snyder 6mo ago

Remember when Iran had a liberal democracy and leaders who modeled their constitution after the US founding documents? Sure is a shame the UK redbaited the US into overthrowing that government and installing the Shah. It's almost like installing puppet dictators leads to extremists rising to power.

Vincent 6mo ago

The claim was simple: If you can’t distinguish between the nuclear threat of a Western democracy versus a theocracy based on primitive religious doctrine, you’re retard (or your fragile ego is so invested that you effectively act like a retard).

Your response? ‘But Western intervention!’ Sure, that played a role. So did centuries of fundamentalist religious ideology.

Now - and try to stay on topic this time - do you see ANY difference between Iran having nukes and Israel having nukes? do you think it would be reasonable at some point to try to prevent it militarily?

Cal P 6mo ago

On topic:

- I see that Iran having nukes would be similar to China and Russia and Israel having nukes, where it concerns the United States' safety. They would be a threat. Israel is an indirect threat as they are currently our "ally" but their insistent manipulation destabilizes everything and everyone so therefore I put them in the same threat group.

- No

Vincent 6mo ago

That was indeed on topic. Now find out which group you belong.

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Cal P 6mo ago

Well that's very broad. You want me to find out which group I belong to? Just in general? Or are you asking me to pick a side in a specific issue?

Vincent 6mo ago

“If you can’t distinguish between the nuclear threat of a Western democracy and the nuclear threat of dictatorial theocracy based on primitive religious doctrine, you’re either a retard or your fragile ego is so invested that you effectively act like a retard”

Cal P 6mo ago

Oh that. That phrase has too many logical fallacies to even know how to respond. I'm sorry.

Some things that stand out though: "democracy" is incorrectly attributed to one place, I'm assuming Israel. And "primitive religious doctrine" being the basis of government seems to apply to both. The last part has me at a loss. Seemed to be boxed in there if I disagree on any of the points. I'll let you pick. I'm fine with either retard or fragile ego masking as a retard.

Vincent 6mo ago

Yeah, if you apply “based on primitive religious doctrine” to both those countries equally you are definitely a retard

Cal P 6mo ago

Well I guess that ends that then. Retard over and out