Subnostr

I suppose he’s never had to clean his own toilet?

Voluntarily you mean?

Are there people who are forced to clean their own toilets?

Well, nagging could count as compulsion. 😂

😂 yes!

From necessity

There is only voluntary or involuntary.

Necessity is involuntary i guess

It is not an objective measure.

We can refuse to do necessary things.

That's not the point. Aristotle said men do something they think is good or pleasant. It's good to clean your toilet, but it comes from necessity not pleasure.

Right?

That would be "removing that which seems evil". In this case, germs.

I think not, because in that case good equals pleasure and Aristotle would not have to distinguish good and pleasure cases. So i fuck because that gives me pleasure, i clean the toilet because it's good.

BHN 🍁 1y ago

One can argue that everything is involuntary: one cause and all effects. In the realm of man: no man creates himself nor instils passion within and guidance beyond.

Well, yes, as a theology.

"For I reckon among good things the removal of that which is evil or seems evil, or the exchange of a greater evil for a less, because these two things are in a way desirable; in like manner, I reckon among pleasant things the removal of that which is or appears painful, and the exchange of a greater pain for a less."

Cleaning the toilet improves sanitation, so it is a labor exchange of the bad for the less-bad.

Yes, we are in agreement.

Nobody 1y ago

For explaining the actions of people, I much prefer a line from some show (don't ask I can't remember). The line goes something like: "Whenever you see someone running, you must ask yourself, are they running too something or away from something? The answer is always both to some extent."

Through my experiences, I take it to mean that sometimes people carry out feral actions because they are running from some inner demon as opposed to running towards a future they desire. I guess when put like that it could be called compulsion or nature, but perhaps with some deep thoughts about their behaviours or a higher goal to run towards, people might become less inclined to behave in a feral manner.