Much of the trouble comes from religions supplying a framework of control for the politically inclined to take advantage. There are countless religious leaders that are interchangeable with the dirtiest politician.

It is just another collectivist weapon, but an insidious one that can not be questioned similar to democracy today.

I would argue we do not need a moral instruction manual, morality appears because it is the most stable productive state but it is important that each person learn this first hand, hopefully as a child.

I think perhaps you guys are talking about two different things? Abrahamic principles v Abrahamic Institutions.

Abrahamic institutions are amongst the biggest beneficiaries of the fiat system, because they take advantages to levels that no other organisation gets. It’s not even a hidden or controversial thing that Abrahamic institutions

- rely on tax breaks and exemptions

- rely on taxpayer funding via the state

- rely on inflation

- very strong political alliances

- very strong hierarchy and emphasis on obedience to authority

- highly centralised leadership

- partner with banks on fractional reserve principles

- rely and benefit on systems of debt creation

- amongst the largest asset holders on the planet because they seek to benefit from inflation

- prioritise institutional growth over economic reform

- maintain strict control of their financial opacity

BUT the religious texts themselves encourage some very btc aligned values

- truth

- integrity

- accountability

- confronting injustice

- distributed community responsibility

- critiques of hoarding and exploitation of the vulnerable

- transparency

- warnings against concentration of power

- condemnation of exploitative lending or prohibition of interest based systems

- emphasis on fairness and condemnation of debasement

So I think maybe you’re both right. And I’d add that hopefully, something like btc can make an institution actually start employing the values that it teaches.