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Def needs to be easier to do home serving. But those tools won’t exist without a demand to support them. Perhaps nostr could add to that demand. Get users to run personal relays in the cloud, then get users to set up relay backups at home on start9 or umbrel, then watch users start asking for the tooling you mention.

ChipTuner 1y ago

Correct. "Censorship resistance" is no longer a selling point when people are encouraged to load up their relay in the same cloud.

I think maybe we don't need to reach individuals and encourage them to setup cloud relays, because again my argument is cloud relays don't strengthen censorship resistance, so unless you need a private relay for private things, I don't think its right to encourage normies to cloud host a relay, it's a false predicate.

We need to encourage self-hosted hosted platforms like you mentioned to get relays into the hands of hosters. And get everyone's geeky friend to set them up a relay on their own metal.

I would rather rely on the hardcore nostr developers hosting public relays (paid or not) and having normies use them over private cloud relays.

I think people (specifically in the US) forget how much control the ABCs have over cloud providers and how much data they hoover, I think it's doing user's a disservice in the long run.

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david 1y ago

My question is this: why would anyone go to the trouble of running a personal relay? Assuming that the altruistic motivation to decentralize nostr doesn’t count, bc it isn’t sustainable.

Here’s my best answer: build a personal relay that calculates your Grapevine WoT Lists and updates them in real time. I can see this becoming a MUST HAVE.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

yes, WoT is a big factor, as is archiving your own stuff, a 512gb HDD can store you and your follows post as long as you follow under 1000 people

smarter relays that notice your changes in your lists and adjust a precaching worker cron also mean that every time you go away to do something else you come back and all the content is already there in your own house

censorship resistance is not a benefit for marketing

but instant, pre-emptive caching of data IS

as is an intelligent cache strategy that not only uses your queries to figure out what threads it should probably cache, it may also want to grab some of respondent's content in the thread preemptively in case you want to click through to their profile or their feed, if you react to it or reply to it, for example, and that manages your storage so that once someone lives in your block list for a long time it preferentially deletes their content to free space for stuff you care about

there's so many facets to how you can benefit from your own home data cache of events, and the best part is censorship resistance becomes a product of it rather than it being an aspirational objective

it's YOUR social network, not someone's fake ass publisher and engagement farming funnel

Alison Avery 1y ago

I certainly agree with you. "Geeky friends"/plebs like me will definitely set it up for ourselves at home if someone shows us the way. Then we "power users" educate and translate to the outside world.

You guys create, we embrace, then we translate and help people onboard. I've been in this position my whole life. And I Iove it.