Great episode! And 💯% agree with #[1] , nostr really needs to capture and engage non-bitcoiners.

I think even bitcoiners should refrain themselves from constantly discussing bitcoin/nostr on nostr, myself included. It can get quite monothematic and stale.

And yes, ancap political perspectives also count as bitcoin talk.

I'm looking forward to discuss everything else: books, movies, sports, philosophy, music, non-crypto tech, science, etc.

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Nocoiners ngmi anyways, most of them are boosted to the teeth

Agreed. Decentralized chat doesnt need to be exclusive to bitcoin. Mainstream everyday chat can move in that direction too.

But pls 🙏 no bots and no algorithms.

It's an open protocol anyone can join. But by design we are the first ones who feel attracted as it perfectly aligns with our values of permissionless access etc.

It's value absolutely dies without network effects. Good ideas don't always succeed.

Nost works already for me, I'll definitely not going back to Twitter.

You're missing the point, this is not about you.

Just change your time preference. It's like 2009/2010 now in Bitcoin time for Nostr. Network effects take time and for now having a small enthusiastic user base is not bad imo, as the ecosystem needs to improve anyway, before normal users can join.

I've enjoy my interactions with quite a lot of people here in Nostr. Yes agree with you. Current population of Nostr users are closer to Bitcoin enthusiasts. This might change eventually. Well, at least for me, i can found new interesting content (a lot of topic) easier in Global feed 😄

I joined Twitter in the early days and for the first couple of years most of the discussion was about how great Twitter was. It was super polite too. If Nostr becomes as popular as Twitter (or even half as popular) there's no way this type of discussion or the level of politeness continues.

Yes, i like the vibes here mostly people try to engage in a good discussion. Sure, more people come will bring more ideas, views, stances which somehow will brings a kind of fraction later.

Honestly, the difference is not the problem as long as it is delivered by good discussion, logical arguments, or reasonable explanation. The problem is more about people who picks insults or personal attack whenever they give up to present their ideas properly in civilized manner.

Hopefully, at least we won't be like that :)

I think what we see is very subjective. Smaller communities are often able to self regulate better. But we need tools that let us have many communities on the protocol who don’t all have to agree. And those communities, informal or formal, need to be able to define their own norms and rules with boundaries to enforce them.

That could be a community of people who are bitcoin maximalists, solar punks, or drag queens. What matters is that users can find their people, and maybe somebody is a solar punk bitcoiner drag queen. But each of those contexts are different, with different ideas of acceptable behavior.

Personally, I want to be able to use nostr and not have to see this kind of stuff: https://snort.social/search/rape and https://snort.social/search/faggot

Completely agree. Also enjoyed their discussion or different types of private chats on Nostr. Through I fear that's a long way off any sort of real implementation.

I think we could get private groups pretty quickly actually… The MLS standard and the p2panda project have done 95% of the work already. https://p2panda.org/specification/encryption

Interesting! I'll keep my eyes peeled for that, thanks.

What about simpleX?