How much is enough to retire?

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Depends on your age and the way of life you expect.

30, family of 2 and a nice lifestyle in south east Asia

Depends on the country you live inšŸ˜…

Now Belgium, but as soon as retiring is an option I’m moving

It seems binary at the moment. It’s not going to zero, it may chop upwards for 10+ years but eventually it’s just ā€œeverything divided by 21Mā€

So if you’re 10+ years out from retirement, probably not much.

As soon as possible

I’m currently exploring replacing my income with bitcoin and my spreadsheet generates a bitcoin $ amount that allows me to retire.

Grok was very helpful in generating all the spreadsheet stuff quickly.

History says never sell all your corn. So in your plan fund it with selling half of what’s left every 5 years and you should be good for the duration if you can live on the first 5 years. That’s like a 14% cagr to not give yourself a COLA. If bitcoin beats that then you have a cost of living adjustment.

There’s only been two periods of 5 years that are less than that CAGR out of 123 in bitcoins existence.

For me, 20 times annual household expenses, divided by the 200WMA.

I like this

I tend to like the 4% rule, but lean towards thinking the 200WMA modifier more than makes up for the base 5%, while also insulating you against short term volatility.

This definitely isn't a "die with 0" number, instead it's "die with generational wealth to pass on".

Interesting…

At least 24 Bitcoin it is yikes

True, I'm not anywhere close to my number, but that target is dropping forever.

I think it takes about 15-20 tc to retire in thailand and live a good life

Mate I can easily retire in Europe on 20 btc lol

buy a house with some land, pay for your childrens education … šŸ˜… of course you can retire, the question is always how (just my opinion)

Why do you need to buy a home? Why lock up wealth in something illiquid as a house?

that's what i've always thought, but outside of europe, where property is your property, it can be good to own your own land

Interesting. Never thought about it outside Europe..

Neither did I until my child was born

So what places are interesting for you? I’m very curious to learn more about it

The state congressmen's office.

that's the difficulty ... before I read about it, I thought maybe it was the less populated areas of the US ... the more I found out about it, the more I realized it's not much different than here. Switzerland and Liechtenstein were right out because of their size. I don't have a solution yet.

20 bitcoin should retire you anywhere šŸ˜‚

Was thinking the same

Thailand is low cost. 20 way to high.

IMO 20 is enough to almost retire anywhere if your lifestyle isn’t over the top

Infinite, or none. Retire your cravings, then be free.

350 times your monthly costs. Assuming you can get a net 3,5% p.a.

Interesting

Problem as usual are taxes and inflation. You must get 3,5% after compensating both. While most European countries report an inflation of 5%, real monetary inflation (M2) is often 10-20%.

You can look at it also as 3,5% above S&P500 and after taxes. Then you're safe.

But remember Genesis 3:17: "cursed is the earth in thy work; with labour and toil shalt thou eat thereof all the days of thy life. "

It depends

The easiest way to be ā€œrichā€ is to desire little. Then you can retire sooner.