All the while, embracing Bitcoin and all the shitcoins.

Why? Could it be that transparency enables surveillance enables control enables crushing and controlling dissent enables tyrants to stay in power?

Nah.. must be something else. After all nostr tells me bitcoin is perfect, the end all be all, and it fixes everything.

Or something.

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game theory aligned. we have lightning for decent privacy and instant payments with finality. its tradeoffs all around.

onchain doesn't scale for payments anyway, monero folks aren't seeing the bigger picture.

How many people outside of Nostr are able to use LN in a privacy preserving non custodial manner?

not many, which is why we have some work to do to make this easier

monero is probably the easiet if you want privacy and self custody, but I wouldn't hold my money in it.

it seems more likely I would just swap into a custodial cashu node for the amount I wanted to use (if I didn't already have a lightning node). asking everyone to accept monero seems unlikely to ever happen

The ship is too far gone. I don't see Monero adoption ever catching up.

Likewise Bitcoin will never catch up to a privacy paradigm. Hedge both bets accordingly.

Maybe not (I'm skeptical), but other layers are heading in a good direction in that sense.

Its so naive what you are saying

maybe! but i've been thinking about this stuff for like 15 years, so unlikely

When BIS proposal gets going, ill be here to talk to you again and see if you say the same

is there any privacy model from Monero that LN can learn from?

Why do you have a lightning address setup to receive bitcoin on nostr? Could it be that you’re just a LARP?

Do you also run a lightning node?

It's fucking HEAVY. I run bitcoind + lnd + monerod and lnd rapes my cpu harder than bitcoind and monerod combined.

Payments often fail due to liquidity issues. Lightning is extremely centralized.

I'm not against L2, and I'm certainly not against having some private-enough way of spending BTC, but we cannot ignore that there are leaks that propagate up the layers because the base layer is lacking in privacy.

I would argue most Monero folks actually see the bigger picture, in a way that Bitcoin maxis don't, by leveraging all available tools in the quest for more autonomy, freedom and privacy.

And that does include saving in Bitcoin for example, or being pragmatic and using Lightning, which is the better choice in many situations (which ones those are will depend on the user for the most part, I suppose - I speak for myself)

I use core lighting, it’s pretty lean

If your node is offline for a few days, doesn't it take a long time until the lightning daemon is useful?

I had the same issue with lnd back in the day, now I'm on eclair. I haven't tried cln.

nope it syncs pretty fast. clightning is insanely efficient

Interesting. I'll add trying it to my ever-growing pile of todo's.

Thanks for the feedback!

Why do you have a lightning address setup to receive bitcoin on nostr? Could it be that you’re just a LARP?

Why don't you realize that some people are not blind maxis and leverage all available tools?

Could it be that you're just an idiot?

Why do you use bitcoin if transparency enables surveillance enables control enables crushing and controlling dissent enables tyrants to stay in power?

Because I realize all thatI wrote before, but also realize it's the best store of wealth around at this point and I find that highly unlikely to change, in spite of all its flaws.

Is that such a radical thought for you? It seems like common sense and basic rational analysis to me.

Bitcoin for saving, Monero for spending, lightning on the side if I really want to actually spend bitcoin, which I avoid in general, preferring to spend Monero first unless it's a very specific situation.

Ahhhh. So transparency enables surveillance enables control enables crushing and controlling dissent enables tyrants to stay in power… but not for you got it makes sense.

Ok, if that's the best you've got in response, definitely an idiot.

Your brain is too small to recognize how you’ve contradicted yourself lmao