- the spam is real
- the filters don't work
- out of band txs are extremely bad for bitcoin
- mempool should represent what's mined
- jpg's won't use op_return because inscriptions are cheaper
- nothing will happen if we simply don't do anything now
Discussion
passou a ser importante discriminar, só há um lado correcto
= redecentralize block construction
Concensus change then?
- there are conflicts of interest
most of the spam is already prevented by fees
"nothing will happen if we simply don't do anything now"
very true, in both ways.
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now you want me to feel bad because I paid mempool.space an out of band fee to push my force closed channel with a low fee caused by a wrong estimation fee in mempool that was caused by some nft-ers?
😂😂😂😂
LOL suck complex situation
Is there any conceivable way to prevent out of band txs? (answer: not realistically). To the extent they are bad, we ought to not plan to rely on the altruism of users for the long run. Without tangible incentives to use public mempool instead, we better start learning to live without all the useful services/information that we might prefer for it to continue to provide. (the same goes for coming up with tangible incentives to use op_return instead of witness inscriptions)
Other people's transactions are indistinguishable from spam, and fees are the filter
Technically filters may not work as we all wished but socially they are working.
Certainly all this is raising eyebrows and awareness to some of the problems.
We all need to remain vigilant and small things like grandstanding on top of OP_RETURN filter may not yield concrete impact on the technical and working layers of the network but does have social impact and steers discussions towards ongoing problems even to the attention of those less aware about of all this and now catching up and becoming more interested in the subject.
Thing that all this net positive.
The biggest positive just might be the raising of awareness of the underlying need for network software diversification.
So to as long consensus is not broken and mempool doesn't get a bit too weird due to how many diff nodes running different mempool policy to the point making things harder for everyone in the end.
What is more important here is that CORE devs or any dev should not hold too much influence and arbitrary enforcement of what should or should not be done.
Thinks like node runners wanting to cast a vote against all this spam is important politically even if they don't have strong immediate effect at technical level.
Keeping everyone in check is important for Bitcoin's anti-fragile nature specially when bigger opponents arise to attack bitcoin.
Core devs can't force you to run their software though. The vote is what software you run. Even with the op return filter in place, spam will still end up in blocks without even going via the mempool, which is worse apparently. So I don't really understand the fuss.
I don't see such a serious problem at the moment 🤷♂️ just background noise
I had been overlooking the second order effect of typical users having to wait longer than expected when there are spam stacks, rather than doing fee estimation with the spam txs in their mempool.
I feel like this is getting lost in the sauce
The spam will decrease over time with or without OP_RETURN limitations.
People want financial security all the time. Ordinals shit will dissappear.
Bitcoin is here to stay
Too much money in funding devs. Wrong incentives.
If you need guaranteed income to work on Bitcoin you shouldn’t be working on Bitcoin.
I think #6 contradicts #3
All large op_return are currently out of band, and I’m not seeing any issue with mempool relay or fee estimation. Also, how about all the proliferation of home mining, and people solo mining to their own node? Shouldn’t they be allowed to decide what gets mined?
In #5, if the users would rather use witness discount than op_return, why give them more opportunity for degeneracy?
Fix the actual problem: unlimited witness data…
- Do you like spam in your email inbox?
- Do you turn off spam filters in your email account just because you receive spam once in a while?
Please shitscammer, give us your email address so we can spam you - since you love it.