First they came for the Communists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me

And there was no one left

To speak out for me

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Taking the easy way out of the argument. So cheap.

First they came for the Communists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Jews

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Jew

And then all could speak out;

We were free again.

The sun shone upon us

As it had never shone before

And we thanked them for coming.

I'm a Jew, and I'm fully loaded - no need for you to "speak out" as you never have and never will.

Sorry. Let me be clear. Either free speech for all, even “hate” speech is allowed or nothing.

There is no grey area. I might dislike what you’re saying but will fight for you regardless of perceived differences. Anything less is not free speech.

Sure, it's logically a "clear cut" area, I'll give you as much.

But theissue here isthat if you're supporting the liberties of your sworn enemies simultaneously with them cheering on your defeats, you're just committing suicide in slow motion.

I'm unsure if you understand what's at stake here.

This is the main problem with libertarianism. You can't have freedoms for the whole world when the rest of the world is out to destroy you.

You need protections against outsiders or they will take your freedoms away.

Bingo.

This is getting close to where my take on the subject applies.

I believe the founders of the USA knew that we have inalienable rights. Just like the color of my eyes, they cannot be given to me, or taken away. Everyone is born with these rights.

HOWEVER, it is the US law, (which is bound by our borders and legal citizens), that says the government should protect and not infringe on these rights. This means it is not the duty of the US government to protect those rights for non-US citizens, no matter where they reside.

Interesting thought that the US DoI was a universalist document.

Trespassing on private property isn't speech.