I don't understand why you want relay feeds? Why would I want to follow users from your relay? Your relay is just a relay to connect to, I don't see anything special about your relay and I also don't see that your relay is a specific topic, so it's just random people.

I'm not afraid of relay feeds, I'm just saying there might be another a better way to follow a specific topic.

The only way to follow new people right now is when someone boosts or quotes their note. There's no way to find new people. We need Facebook type search feature where you can find a user by country, city, hobbies etc

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How did you find anyone to follow? Like, originally.

The relay you subscribed to, you're right, it has no real special purpose it's the first relay I ever ran, and it's one of the last OG relays that just kindof accept anyone who wants to post there given they pay or are in one of my lists. Quite honestly, I think about turning it off or re-purposing it sometimes. But it has some fans, like you, that use it, so I don't.

When I first joined nostr, I had to look at relay feeds to find people because my follow list is ZERO. And I still do this, TO THIS DAY. Does that make sense? Did you join from primal or something where they bootstrapped your follow list for you?

When I first got on nostr, i saw people on Twitter/X posting about nostr and their pub. I followed a couple of those npubs, they always quote or boost notes so I followed those npubs as well. That's pretty much the only way to find users.

Why would you turn off your relay? It's being used by people to store their notes. What did you want from the relay? I get the feeling you want relays to be a "community", almost like a forum.

I like your relay because it's a paid relay so there isn't that much spammers, but I see it mostly as a store of my notes and a backup of my notes.

You finding people on your relay is good but you're only doing that because there's no other easy way to find new people, you don't necessarily have anything in common with them.

It was difficult for us the beginners but more difficult for you since you've been here longer, but for new users in the future, it will be easier because normally people look up their friends or companies they like and follow them.

Didn't amethyst already have relay feeds? I remember before the newest update, There was an icon and you could turn off all relays except the ones you wanted. I didn't find anything special about the relay feeds. It was just a bunch of random people who spoke different types of languages. It's not a good way to find others because people join relays simply to store their notes not because the relay is a certain type of relay.

At least with countries, city, hobby feeds, we can find users who share the same interests as us.

That's what made Facebook the king of social media is that fact that we could easily search for people via hobby, cities, school, etc.

Facebook never had country or city feeds other then your friends feeds but apps like Hello Talk do and it is amazing way to find new people.

I do see relays as communities yes, but not in the way you might think, more in an augmented way. Even just paying 21 sats, that's a community. It's people that paid 21 sats, all sharing a relay's infrastructure.

There is value in this, for when you want to discover stuff, you could use that relay for example, and AT LEAST it's full of people that paid or were somehow added. vs. if you try to do this on a big free relay, it's not a good experience at all.

Then since that works so well, there are many other things you can do to make those experiences even better.

maybe you know your community more then me but I joined simply because it was cheap and it can store my notes as a backup. I'm not sure who the other users on your relay are. I never go on your relay website.

I checked it I don't understand what the topic is. I used chatgpt and it said it's original gangster California. I'm not sure what that means.

I remember reading last year that people were setting up relays and even naming them in the same way as forums and we're hoping to get users to join their relays depending on the relay'a topic. Kinda like mastodon too where the insurances have a specific topic.

That's not the direction nostr will go. The direction nostr will go is exactly like Ditto pub software and amethyst. This means people will go on a website login with their npub and view their following feeds, or use a client like amethyst and view their feed.

Very few people will want to go on a website called nostr cats and view only profiles related to cats. A community of cats. That's almost like mastodon. Then they admin will be able to ban you and it's centralized.

Amethyst does have communities. There is a tab for it. That works much better. The ditto pub software needs to add those communities to it as well.

I believe the direction nostr is going is to give the user the most power, while limiting power to administrators to have communities on their websites.

Relays will be useful but simply to store the notes synced across all relays. In fact the newest amethyst puts less emphasis on adding removing relays.

heh, ok sure. see ya in 2023 nostr then.

if you want to see the whole country chatting thing with no relay maintenance or anything, try bitchat.