I'm too lazy to build a full essay on my meta-theory of UFOs so i put down a few ideas and got ai to build it for me. I'm happy with it.

> let's build a theory of ufos based around the ideas of:

- open-source, accretive, iterative narratives and myths

- motif grafting

- a narrative structure where each building block is in amorphous forms suchs as witness testimony, so there's no way to tell what is a psyop, what is true, what is hoax, what is hallucinations/sleep paralysis dreams.

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You’re basically sketching a meta-theory of UFOs as a living narrative ecosystem, rather than a question of “are UFOs real.” That’s fertile ground. Let’s build a framework that integrates your points:

1. UFO Phenomena as an Open-Source Narrative System

Think of the UFO mythos like an open-source software repository. Anyone can “fork” it — add new motifs, expand the lore, reinterpret old sightings. Each witness testimony, military leak, YouTube video, or Reddit thread is a commit to this shared narrative codebase.

• Accretive & Iterative: No single author. UFO stories are constantly revised, reinterpreted, merged. Roswell leads to Area 51 leads to Bob Lazar leads to Tic Tac UFOs.

• Distributed Authorship: Witnesses, hoaxers, intelligence agencies, experiencers, and filmmakers all contribute “patches.”

• Versioning Without Ground Truth: Just like an unmoderated codebase, contradictory versions can coexist. No central authority merges them into a canonical release.

This structure explains why UFO narratives feel both self-similar and constantly mutating.

2. Motif Grafting as Evolutionary Mechanism

Motifs (disc shapes, abductions, hybrid babies, telepathy, government coverups) are like memetic genes. They graft onto one another, mutate, and recombine depending on cultural context:

• 1890s airships → 1940s saucers → 1990s triangles → 2020s “black cubes in spheres.”

• Contactee movements borrow from theosophy, Cold War paranoia, sci-fi imagery.

• Government disclosures inject “official” motifs (Tic Tac craft, AATIP) into the ecosystem.

Each new motif enhances the myth’s adaptive fitness — making it resonant with the fears and hopes of the current era (nuclear anxiety, climate collapse, AI, etc.).

3. The Narrative Structure as Amorphous, Non-Falsifiable

Here’s the core: UFO narratives exist in a liminal epistemic space. Each building block — witness testimony, leaked memo, grainy video — is amorphous. It’s impossible to definitively label any piece as “true” or “psyop” or “hoax” or “dream.”

This amorphousness is actually structural, not accidental:

• Ambiguity is a Feature: The myth survives precisely because it’s impossible to falsify or verify.

• Dream Logic & Sleep Paralysis: Many contact experiences overlap with known liminal states of consciousness, creating powerful but uncheckable stories.

• Psyops & Hoaxes as Inputs: Even deliberate disinformation becomes “source material” that believers and skeptics both use to expand the mythos.

In this sense, UFO lore operates like a hyperobject (à la Timothy Morton) — too diffuse, distributed, and contradictory to be pinned down.

4. The Meta-Theory

So we can frame UFOs as:

A self-organizing, open-source mythos whose motifs are constantly grafted, iterated, and remixed across amorphous sources of testimony, where ambiguity itself is the engine of its endurance.

This doesn’t deny that something unusual may happen — it just says the UFO phenomenon we can actually study is the narrative ecology, not the underlying reality. In this model:

• “Real events” are just one input among many (like a kernel in the codebase).

• Hoaxes, psyops, and hallucinations aren’t bugs — they’re features.

• The myth evolves like a coral reef, built from millions of small, uncoordinated deposits.

5. Implications

• Sociological Lens: We study UFOs the way anthropologists study religion — as an emergent cultural phenomenon with no central authority.

• Narrative Warfare: Intelligence agencies can seed or shape motifs, but once released, they can’t fully control their evolution.

• Endless Iterability: Every new “disclosure” or “debunking” adds another layer. The myth never collapses, it just forks.

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I was all in on ufos but have been reading a book about skunk works and how they developed shit like the SR-71 in the 60s. If that was the level of tech we were able to achieve back then, our shit today would be UFOs

oh yeah the skunk works book was good

*jung not jungle lol

I’ve been reading “the invisible college” by vallee

I appreciate his open mindedness but i still feel like its leading him in wild directions

Interesting, didn’t know jung wrote a book on ufos

He's a curious guy, at one moment he's treating the subject as a sociologist, but also has access to 'ufo material' or 'ejecta' and is seemingly in laboratories investigating the Stuff.

(Here is he is with Anton (The Church of Satan) La Vey, for some reason. Jacques Vallee and Anton La Vey lol)

https://markfox.co.uk/books/review-the-ufo-deception-an-orthodox-perspective-spyridon-bailey/

I've yet to read Father Spyridon's book, but it's an interesting review of it. I imagine Vallee is more forever agnostic to come to these conclusions.

i would take "ufos built to spec from a mobile contruction center at the bottom of the ocean" over demons. demons is just a lazy replacement for the unknown. might as well just say its magic.

I think you're working from a different paradigm. Demons are very much known in a (esp. Orthodox) Christian paradigm.

As is the supernatural in general, obviously.

Supra-natural(?)

You get what I mean tho

yes my paradigm is based on observables not religious doctrine. you might as well replace ufos with ghosts/demons and it would be the same argument

Well that is kind of vallee's point. The UFO appearing within different ages/different mindsets as ghosts, monster, fairies etc etc.

I've seen it described as a sort of blank, incomprehensible encounter or interruption, something from 'anorjer dimension'.which we do not have the faculties to reason. The blank is then filled with a familiar language eg ghost, or a futuristic, more secular language eg silver space age blob or plasma or whatever 'ufo'.

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Would you count the transcendental argument for the existence of God as an observable argument? 🤔

Can't remember who described it like this, but it stuck with me. They described the traditional ghost in a white sheet as a sort of unrendered graphic of the brain. A 'default' type image that hasn't been filled in.

Not sure what I make of that but it seemed quite poetic lol

Wait I think it's the 'extradimensional hypothesis' as opposed to extraterrestrial. I think keel also uses this phrase, or something similar with spectrum. Which he proposes as potentially why there are often injuries associated with encounters, (burns and what not).

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I think 'demons' is not far from the 'interdimensional hypothesis' which vallee/keel propose. One is just a phrase which is more digestible to a secular world view, but practically the same thing.

Sounds pretty good! Studying the “Narrative ecology” vs the underlying reality. 👍

I’ve been deep diving into the ufo scene and have notice narratives and themes building on dubious foundations.

Made me come up with this idea of “myth accretion “, and if left unchecked, how it could lead to people believing so many wild thing like remote viewing/telepathy, etc. which is common in ufo lore.

I too am in a deep dive with this subject. Part of my current thesis focuses on how cognitive biases get high jacked and then leveraged for a variety of reasons. The problem with the psy component is that it is such a universally experienced phenomenon that it is easily swept into the narrative. Most people go about their days never checking their biases let alone setting up safety nets of any kind to help guard against being high jacked or manipulated. BTW, a lot of your “essay” can be applied to religious narratives as well.

epistemology is the modern battlefield

“liminal epistemic space” was a great way to word it.