Like the Bolsheviks, the Ayatollah, Mao, Chavez, Kim Il-Song, Pol Pot, etc?

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… Castro, Ceaușescu, etc?

The revolution against Ceaușescu was a positive though. Many Romanians will attest.

Yeah. Of course things got better. My point is just that thinking revolutions are good things as a general rule is just silly. By count, most liberty-minded people would not think most revolutions were good. That's my point. It should cause someone to question the whole romance of the idea.

I agree, revolutions are bloody and messy, and lots of people die. I'm not sure if hyperbitcoinzation as a revolution would be similar to past political revolutions. Could even be worse.

The presence of evil in this world does not mean good men should do nothing. I am not naive. I know the good guys don’t always win. But they never do if they don’t fight.

How many of these repressive regimes have historically been overthrown through diplomacy?

Yeah, I think the idea we need to overthrow Western democracies in revolutions is absolutely fucking crazy. I’m not going to mince words here. FUCKING. CRAZY.

I don’t think anyone suggested this?

Oh, some are!

I don’t doubt it, but not in this thread 😜. But thinking we can convince the very people who benefit disproportionately from the current system that bitcoin is a better path seems to be a fools errand.

Define western democracy.

Are you lumping the Constitutional Republic in with that?

Are you indicating the values in the founding documents of the countries in question, or how they operate now and at some theoretical point in the future?

Where is the line between a functional “democracy” and a totalitarian state?

At what point does oppression move from acceptable to unacceptable?

What about the consent of the governed?

Is forced “democracy” intrinsically different from a totalitarian state?