Primal-style wallet integration, but through single-click creation of a self-custodial, non-kyc nostr:nprofile1qqsyv47lazt9h6ycp2fsw270khje5egjgsrdkrupjg27u796g7f5k0spzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgjwaehxw309ac82unsd3jhqct89ejhxqgnwaehxw309aex2mrp09skymr99ehhyecusqvd6 Hub instance with in-app channel management directly on Amethyst through Nostr Wallet Connect? 🤔
Would you use it at the current Alby hosting prices?
Speak english… lol
No.
No, but Alby's nwc implementation is like no other. There has to be some other solution for Amethyst. I use Primal much more these days because of this (as Alby started to limit the "custodial" accounts). I don't want to give $60/year to them.
At some point Primal will start charging a similar amount as well, there is no way around it. These types services can only be free for a short amount of time.
You're right but price level is way off for a wallet. Just thinking....
What's the right price on your mind?
One time payment for opening up a channel and than ~1500sat p/m.?
$3 per mo? $36 per annum?
Feels more resonable... that's 5000 sats per month right now.
so less than a cup of coffee per month?
Per customer.
coffee is not the scale here. I have a cold wallet for savings and I use my lighning wallet for daily zaps (99%) here on #nostr, and yes and 5 €£$ p/m is expensive for such a use scenario.
If someone uses a lightning wallet for daily spending in real life, than it's ok, no problem. But just for zapping, no.
what service would be valuable for you to pay for? or why don't you want to pay?
I would rather an ecash mint integration. Give users the ability to add mints like we can relays (might be an oversimplification)
It would make sense to have it available along with the classic alternative, if thats possible. Pay to play either through the work of learning or through sats. It's a pretty fair system that way.
I honestly don't know because I don't understand anything after "wallet integration." When you get to the point I don't have to understand, I think you will have fixed the problem.
I did try primal but there were issues resulting from my phone setup and it did not stick. I run into this a lot with various wallets and CashApp-type apps because I do not run the various Google services apps.
No
Nobody wants to pay Alby's prices is probably because no one is actually making money.
Most Bitcoiners I've seen selling things are homemade products that are extremely expensive and the sales that they do get is probably from other Bitcoiners curious to see what it's like to purchase things using Bitcoin.
I doubt they are making a steady stream of income enough of pay Alby's prices.
I infact have no clue what their prices are but I remember signing up to voltage dot cloud and they had prices up to 25USD a month. Which is way too expensive for me since I'm not making a steady income from Bitcoin.
Now if I ran an actual business like a restaurant or hotel that accepted Bitcoin 25USD a month is not a lot if my sales are high. It would be worth it, instead of me trying to manage my own BTCPay and lighting hub.
I have yet to see actual businesses accepting Bitcoin around me. Many of the current business owners are fait in the head. Meaning they can't afford fool around with Bitcoin. They are in a lot of debt and don't care about getting humanity out if slavery.
I think as real estate starts collapsing we will see more Bitcoiners start to run businesses and we will see actual businesses start accepting Bitcoin. I do see some very cheap real estate near me and someday I might just start a business but currently with the communist government and their taxation and regulations. It's better to just keep hodling.
They're will be a point where things change and it's time to start a business and I will be glad that their is Bitcoin companies like alby and voltage out there who can help me with Bitcoin payments.
Until then I'll self host, learn Bitcoin, zap others and have fun.
One more comment which is #offTopic but tangential regarding #amethyst. Primal did not work for me because I do not run Google Play. It gave an error "requires Google Play."
Amethyst, among many other apps, runs fine even though listed as "Requires Google Play."
Where is the "requires Google play" listed?
You will see it in the part of the app description which states the "Requirements" at the google play store. Users of the Aurora Store interface to Google Play may see it listed under the app name.
That's a bit weird statement from Google play... Yes, the #Amethyst version on Google Play requires Google Play.
But #Amethyst is available on other free platforms as well.
Why would you need channel management in Amethyst UI? You only have to set it up once and should do in the AlbyHub UI.
Also, i should also support self hosted AlbyHub (but that should be no problem given it's all NWC)
I think the Alby Hub is a message to the community. Some time we have to pay our hosting bills. Freedom is not for free🤷🏽. But maybe it is still a bit expensive .
What do you think would be a good price?
we spend a lot of time giving the user the option to self-host the Hub wherever they are comfortable.
I think many things are either paid with time, personal data or money. People have to choose one.
Independent of Alby how much do we want Nostr and Lightning apps to succeed and because of that we are as early adopters maybe not the most price-sensitive audience for apps?
I couldn't answer that question well. I already see a benefit in a hosted Lightning Node. But most people probably still lack use cases. The hosted node must bring an advantage of other wallets. The question is the use case, the price could be based on it. For example: with a VPN subscription I can not only surf anonymously, but also bypass country blocks.
yeah, the ultimate question is if there will be use cases that are impossible with the legacy world. We see some exciting, but that whole ecosystem still has to grow and it takes times.
No.
I will not pay to host a wallet. That's just silly unless you're a very non-able business.
How about nip60/61 nutzap wallet built-in to Amethyst? And please elaborate on your "problem" with choosing mints?
Mint operators can run away with people's money. ☹️
AlbyHub operators too
No, they can only close the channel.
Oh, need to go read about it then
It's a full node run by you. They just host it and provide a we app to manage it.
Alby can't close the channel as users can open channels with any peer and by default we recommend some awesome LSPs (Megalith, Olympus, LNServer) are used. Alby is not an LSP.
Alby/the hosting provide could shut down the servers then you'd have to migrate somewhere else.
one thing I like about running AlbyHub on my Start9 node is that I already have my own channels setup and AlbyHub just sets on top of it so I get the best of both worlds. A sovereign lightning node and the power of Alby.
