Nostr Web Client

Quick thought about Twitter migration; I believe one of the big reasons BitcoinHackers.org Mastodon never really took of was because of the noncommittal twitter post mirroring bots. (Myself guilty)

Even though, the beauty of nostr is that we can’t technically block/prevent it. We should shame that behaviour and unfollow those accounts If we want this place to take off.

Nostr had 10k users, peak 5K active and prob 80% mirror bots. It had initial momentum, but the software is crap and ppl didn’t commit.

JM2CC

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Andrew 3y ago

To clarify, when you say twitter post mirroring, do you mean that people would use tools to mirror what they post on twitter to Nostr, so that they don’t need to open their Nostr client for that purpose?

Or do you mean bots that mirror the posts of a twitter account to nostr that a user is following, so that they can see the posts of the people they follow on twitter over here?

Cameri🐦‍🔥 3y ago

Nostr had 10k what 🥴

Nicolas ₿ ⚡️ 🇦🇷🧉🤙💜 3y ago

I’m hoping he was referring to Mastodon bitcoin group and not to Nostr?

Cameri🐦‍🔥 3y ago

Oh yeah ✌️btw I’ve followed you many times but it’s not sticking. Wonder what is wrong

Nicolas ₿ ⚡️ 🇦🇷🧉🤙💜 3y ago

🤔🤔🤔weird. I’m not very sure where the “follow” list gets stored and what happens as you move from one client to another

IntuitiveGuy☯️ 3y ago

many said they have the same problem with my profile too.. they keep following me every day again and again. Many use adamus, i am using astral.ninja

DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 3y ago

Last paragraph I meant mastodon

DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 3y ago

#[3]

Derek Ross 3y ago

Fully agree. Mirroring or cross posting apps/bots mean people aren't fully committed to the platform and it's an afterthought. For Nostr to be successful, it needs to be the first and foremost place for content to be posted. If you want to mirror said content to Twitter, that's fine. Hell, I'd probably even use a script or bot that posted content from my Nostr pubkey to my Twitter account and then never check Twitter again on any sort of frequent basis.

⚡️🌱🌙 3y ago

1). nostr isn’t an app

2). For apps built on nostr, cross platforming is built in. That means you can get 100% of the content in your favourite app no matter where it is posted.

nostr apps are just more powerful.

DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 3y ago

Maybe you missed this? note1erlnr7xuth5u6jl0yz2eql4uft87e6zaw0ppq9g6e09qw2ywzxkqmve9e2

⚡️🌱🌙 3y ago

Was replying to Derek.

Derek Ross 3y ago

To me or the person that responded to me? 😂 Threads still need a bit of work.

⚡️🌱🌙 3y ago

😂 I’m confused now. I did read from OP down.

Was talking to the success of nostr v’s Mastadon / Twitter.

Should be Damus v’s Mastadon / Twitter.

DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 3y ago

Odd, the reply went direct to me

⚡️🌱🌙 3y ago

I think it works like “reply all” to a chain?

⚡️🌱🌙 3y ago

Mirror bots are a thing across current social media platforms because each platform holds a proprietary copy of the content.

For new platforms built on nostr, all content is cross platform by design. This is why content creators will migrate, they will also drag their audiences across to apps built on nostr.

Nostr apps are more powerful, they can natively see the content posted in completely different nostr apps (but obvs can’t x-platform to legacy web).

nout 3y ago

The issue is that people repost from Twitter to mastodon, but only interact on Twitter, which leaves mastodon full of empty statements and no interesting interaction.

This behavior should be shamed on Nostr.

Derek Ross 3y ago

I post on Twitter and have it mirrored to Mastodon. I have notifications enabled for both browser and mobile though. Anytime someone engages with me from over on Mastodon, I go and show them some love. Now with Nostr being my main social platform though, that will slowly cease to exist.

Hazey 2y ago

A pasted tweet without the engagement, even with responses from the OP, are a fraction of the experience.

⚡️🌱🌙 3y ago

I understand, I also understand why people do that.

I don’t think that is going to apply here. We are going to see a proliferation of clients (apps) built on nostr and they are going to be superior to legacy web apps for various technical reasons.

e.g. Imagine a world where there are 5 social media apps and each app has 10m unique daily active users.

If you built that same ecosystem on nostr, then each app would have 50m daily active users.

If someone built a 6th social media app on nostr, it would have 50m daily active users at launch. Why would anyone develop legacy web apps ever again?

nostr is just a much more connected way to develop web apps. The point being that on nostr there is a single massive user universe and and client merely plugs into that existing userverse (think I coined a term there?).

The app developer surrenders proprietary control of user data, but gains instant access to a huge user base.

This is very different. It is so foundational.

I expect it’s really going to change everything.

adpo 3y ago

🤙

Dikaios1517 3y ago

Exactly. Want users to switch to your platform? Provide value over your competitors, and people are more likely to at least try it out, because they won't be sacrificing their existing contacts in order to do so.

DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 2y ago

🎯

In PoW-I-trust 2y ago

Came here for this sort of education. Tq!

⚡️🌱🌙 2y ago

Crazy that I’ve seen this nostr post of mine appear across multiple other apps in the last 48 hours.

I blame #[3] for boosting month old posts of mine 😂

Original point stands though and is an important one. nostr clients are not really competing with each for users, nostr clients actually feed users to each other. I can create content with client A and I can reach the entire audience of clients A, B, C, D, E…

When one client does well, all others benefit. This one nuance is a major difference v’s traditional social media.

It’s potentially a much larger monetisation surface for content creators, and there might be huge first mover advantages for those creators who become established on nostr before the herd moves.

It'sMe 3y ago

That behavior is shamed on the Fediverse also, including most Mastodon instances.

Blake 3y ago

Mastodon is closed. Hopefully that won’t be the case for Nostr. We’re already talking about ways to make sharing notes from other content/mediums easier directly to Nostr. Some web standards don’t make it easy.

⚡️🌱🌙 3y ago

I’m about 95% sure that nostr is going to be upstream of everything.

I think this will be the emergent landscape from the technological reality of what nostr actually is vis legacy platforms.

Derek Ross 3y ago

1) correct.

2) did you read #[2]? This is a response to that.

Nunya Bidness 3y ago

👆👆

This!

Byzantine 3y ago

no one wants to go into an empty bar

Francis Perron ☂️ 3y ago

Damus TestFlight is full capacity (50k people) which all need apple account, I don’t think there’s so much bot?

DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 3y ago

Damus is just a client, Nostr the network is limitless.

Francis Perron ☂️ 3y ago

I know, so there’s more than 50k ppl which is an awesome start.

DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 3y ago

Hard to know how many, but probably 5-10x more

Francis Perron ☂️ 3y ago

Wow thats insane!

MRCX 3y ago

10k in Damus TestFlight from what I know, but are also a dozen of other clients.

nout 3y ago

Very much agree with this. I tried shaming reposting on mastodon, but there it's sort of accepted as a solution and many bitcoiners actively use it.

So yes - don't be that guy, don't repost your Twitter to Nostr.

fiatjaf 3y ago

I think the problem was that 45% of English speakers don't know how to spell Mastodon.

someone 3y ago

will they be able to spell nostr?

DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 3y ago

Mastodonte

farooq 3y ago

French lol

petri 2y ago

Mastodon had a moment where a lot of people with large following signed up and tried it initially. They even switched over to create content first on Mastodon.

Yet, the reality was that your following was still on other networks and it was hard to follow and find people in other instances, or even your Twitter followers who are on Mastodon.

You could not just import/export from Twitter to Mastodon. It was like moving to a new city and starting to build your networks from scratch without the depth in niches to make it interesting and rewarding.

I don’t think we can avoid cross-posting. People use different platforms and you want to reach them natively. Creators prefer platforms that bring them the most engagement and the best UX (+ audience).

We could turn it into a positive challenge: how to make it easy so that they post it here first but cross-post it elsewhere? And over time, this platform wins on its own merits, features and opportunities.

The reality is that Nostr is new and strange for everyone in the beginning. After the very early adapters, the rest of the crowd is more demanding and less adventurous. Things should just work out of the box without reading NIPs or beta struggles.

We are not the growth crowd.

BitsInevitable 2y ago

I’m thinking about deleting twitter and restarting here. Not that I have any followers anyway