Do it live today.
The moment you can livestream from your phone on the nostr:nprofile1qqs9xtvrphl7p8qnua0gk9zusft33lqjkqqr7cwkr6g8wusu0lle8jcpz4mhxue69uhhxarpva5kueew09skyafwd4jsz9nhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wsyqkpv9 app
Existing users that wouldnβt necessarily ever livestream will be giving it a try and some will likely become frequent live streamers and new entertaining content will come out of this
Hopefully it happens
Discussion
This is cool af didnβt know it existed
I can see some people going through this process but most definitely wonβt it would just be better if everything was already in one app
Maybe. But think of the Internet as a whole. Do most people have a single app on their phones to access the Internet, or dozens to hundreds? I think the "it all needs to be one app" thinking is cope that ignores how almost all people actually use the Internet, and will use Nostr in the future too.
True for the internet but thats too broad a comparison. People aren't actively thinking "oh Im going to use the internet now". That mindset ended when dial up ended.
"going live" is an integrated part of every other social media platform. To compete, it has to be integrated in the primary app on nostr side as well if you want normie adoption at this stage.
On the other hand millions of people use OBS to go online across many different streaming platforms π€·ββοΈ
Yet you can still go live directly from IG, FB, TikTok, YouTube, Twitch, Kick, the list goes on.. itβs about having the ability to do it from within the app.. doesnβt mean OBS would be obsolete, would just mean you have a full product..
It's just the ancient software debate about having one app that does everything, but half-assed, or a focused app that does one thing very well. At least with Nostr you don't have to choose, interoperability is built in, not an afterthought.
I feel like youβre exactly right itβs an ancient software debate, today you can easily have your cake and eat it too. Apps can do more than before, you donβt have to half-ass it unless you want to.
π― It dates back to before I was born. Modular vs monolithic software design.
And the great thing about Nostr is it makes the modular approach far easier, thanks to the way identities are handled. I wonder if copying the way legacy Internet stuff works (monolithic) is the way to go, vs modular, which is far easier with Nostr.
It leaves it open for choice between the two even though one approach is easier?
idk I just thought it would be better user experience to not only have viewable content but also ability to create that content from that same place of viewing
Shosho let's you view and create streams & video. Like YouTube crushed video on the Internet by being focused on one thing and doing it well, vs having everything in the Facebook app. There examples going both ways, it is hard to say what will win.
Not like anything I say should matter, but it's important that modularity outcompetes or is, at least, comparable in the short term, so monolithic apps are less likely to create capture via complexity & obscurity. The whole ux sucks if you can't figure out how to leave when you want to.
This. One app that does everything obscures Nostr's greatest attribute, the fact that your identity is portable across any part of the ecosystem. That is Nostr's killer app.
I agree with you guys on everything else but how dumb is it that you can view the livestream but not start one from within the app ? Thatβs all Iβm saying lmaooo
Itβs pretty hard to refute that, itβs just completing a half baked feature lol
I'm not sure how big of a difference it would make honestly. The sizable majority of users aren't creators, but consumers & lurkers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule
(This is backed up by my own experience here on Nostr. Any post that gets really popular, in the triple digits for likes, dozens of reposts, and big zaps, has thousands of views. Most people are lurkers, they don't comment or interact at all.)
It's a feature that a small percentage would ever use, and the effort might be better focused on making consumption better for the 99% who will be watching the videos. I wonder what percentage of users on twitch & YouTube use the built in streaming option vs something like OBS?
What Nostr truly lacks is documentation. For instance here is what twitch has for new creators.
https://www.twitch.tv/creatorcamp/en/
A list of the software that can be used to steam to twitch.
https://dashboard.twitch.tv/broadcast
It's a pretty amazing resource that covers how to steam, how monetization works, tips for engaging & retaining an audience, etc. Nostr lacks stuff like this and it is vitally important.
Apparently I was wrong you can livestream from primal using a premium membership on primal studio
Aye but the way I see it, OBS users are "power users" who are looking for a specific streaming product which often has granular settings and require time to set up.
On the other hand, casual users will never bother to download and configure OBS but a large portion of those people would hit a button within an app they're already using if thats all it took. These are users of convenience.
For the buyers of convenience the feature itself is not the initial draw but may be the reason they stay. Tbh I think user retention is a bigger issue for nostr than getting new users. We can get all the new users in the world but if none of them stick around it really doesnt matter.
this feature wouldnβt be that far fetched for primal to implement since they already support the viewing of the streams, what I mean by everything in one app is not having to leave the app to create a livestream, itβs a feature all social apps that support live streaming have.. Iβm not talking about nostr, just the primal app here but I understand what you mean as well but Iβm strictly talking about 1 app that is striving to be better than the legacy social media apps out there which are the competition, so staying competitive and having all the perks associated with their success is a good thing I believe..
Going live has to be in the same app. People are lazy and if they have to click out, my guess is youd immediately lose well over 50% of the potential market.
A full product is the only logical solution, the choice of going out of your way and using a third party service to stream should be just that, a choice. Not the only solution..
I have been trying to use shosho but havenβt been able to figure out the configuration. This thing pops up. Not sure how to fix it.
Thatβs where Iβm stuck on too
Oh hi guys!
Our goal is "one click to go live" but unfortunately when Kieran shipped the new version of Zap Stream that broke out flow a little.
Our next release should resolve it for all users. In the meantime please try this workaround. Please let me know how you get on!