It's not both sides. The Democrats even run on a platform that people should receive payment based on their demographics. They've made an entire hierarchy to rate people by race and gender and sexual identity and other demographic factors. I'm literally talking about a defined contest.

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“receive payment based on demographics” I’m not saying you are wrong but could you provide a policy that does this?

Also, I’ve never voted democrat.

I'm not aware of any current policies that do this other than affirmative action. People get scholarships based on race and gender and other demographics. But I was thinking more of the leftist platforms that are being pushed to add new policies. Especially with things like paying reparations.

Do you have evidence on scholarships being given solely on race and gender?

Reparations is a tricky one, I could argue both sides.

They have one for men too.

I didn't think they didn't

Do you not believe in the freedom to give your money to whoever you want for them to go to college?

The law says I can't decide not to sell my house to someone bc of gender or race or other demographics. I think that's fair. Why should I be allowed to offer preferential treatment in funding education? That seems to me to be a lot more important.

So you are for government regulating morality and inclusion?

Not broadly. In specific circumstances they do have that role.

But also the DEI movement isn't that type of inclusion

So you accept government intervention as long as it’s to your liking. I’m fine with that conclusion…very subjective but honest.

Lol if that's your interpretation of what I said

First two sentences. Who do you think makes and enforces the law you clearly “think is fair”?

Honestly Idk what this thread is about anymore. But yah I'm sure I didn't mean to say that I get to make up the rules as we go along

Oh, okay. Well, good talk.

There's no argument for reparations. Any amount of money would be symbolic and arbitrary and ineffective at making a true financial difference.

In the short term maybe some people can have some money but when you give people money they didn't earn they never keep it. There's been research studies on that.

It's an empty gesture. It's based on the false premise that America is unique somehow in having fought people for land or having had enslaved people. No one born in America that's alive today has done either.

I have no doubt that it would turn into some out of control spending spree where people receiving money would keep demanding more. Bc that's how people are when they get it.

And I would ask how much money would it take to balance these things out? How much to make past slavery ok? How much to pay for the damages of the trail of tears? Of course the answer is that there's no amount. Which then begs the question what's it for in the first place?

The argument was as you stated towards the end, there is logic and reason behind reparations…yes, still a debate on effectiveness and subjectivity of value loss.

I’d rather distribute reparations to the deserving or even better UBI across the board than cut taxes for the wealthy or bail out corporations that lobby for handouts. And of course working people are going to spend the money that they are allocated. They must in order to survive. No need for a “study”. Also no need for a study to know that the trillions we gave rich folks stayed in their pocket too. They didn’t need it but they use it to acquire capital and rent it back to us.

Couldn’t you say that we are being ranked/divided by the amount capital we have?

The sooner we abandon arbitrary labels like "race" and "gender," the better I think, and that sentiment of abolishing the notion lies more with certain leftist persuasions. Right-wingers are very much in favor of enforcing norms based on "race" and "gender" as well as liberals (Democrats) and centrists

Theres absolutely nothing arbitrary about these labels. And there's nothing liberal about Democrats

Republicans run on a platform that rich ppl should receive payments because they’re too big to fail or that they’re job creators. They've made an entire hierarchy to rate people by race and gender and sexual identity and other demographic factors. I'm literally talking about a defined contest. They are throwing around the idea to make antisemitism a crime which in effect is holding one demographic above another. If you claim shenanigans on one side don’t close your eyes to the shenanigans of the other.