Nostr Web Client

I wonder if it wouldn't have been better if I had been chosen.

That would never happen in the first place, but just being able to experiment with the protocol and some test clients and environments like Bluesky did. That could probably make us arrive at clear description of what we now call "outbox model", for example, before launching Nostr.

And if I was able to work together with some smart leftists on the issue, maybe we could have figured a nice way to make relays more proeminent in the protocol as home for communities and "safe" spaces, as natural curators of content and discovery layers for what later would be handled by the outbox model of following people.

And if it had all worked well then maybe we would have built a nice protocol that would still be decentralized and censorship-resistant but would at the same time appeal to leftists and libertarians and everything in between and we would get a ton of media boost and maybe be ready for mass adoption and not face any criticisms from any side except from Jeffrey Epstein friends and Nostr would be named Bluesky and be bigger than all the centralized platforms combined today.

But of course this wouldn't happen in this way at all. What would happen instead?

StackSats.IO 11mo ago 💬 3

With all due respect, fuck the leftists.

They owned big tech social media and only now is it slipping through their fingers. All us Nostriches making up this puny 20K daily users - we were all victims of these cunts and their weaponisation of big tech.

That’s what kept people here.

We all saw some shit during Covid, we saw the problem, we saw the solution.

We’re not the only ones with this problem. We know others have it but haven’t pinpointed the cause.

The leftists don’t need to be considered - they dominate the current mainstream narrative.

They’re ideologically opposed to us so why would we want to engage them?

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fiatjaf 11mo ago 💬 5

We need them on Nostr so we can prove them wrong with arguments and change the minds of some of them.

Galaxie 5000 11mo ago 💬 1

I agree the more we broaden the spectrum the better. Let the ones who will cry and can’t handle go away but there are plenty in the left who would engage and debate. I don’t know about Bluesky but there are many on the left on Instagram and Twitter who slam the crap out of Dems and Libs, for very similar reasons the right does.

StackSats.IO 11mo ago 💬 1

Shut up Indian

Galaxie 5000 11mo ago

lol wtf you talkin about

StackSats.IO 11mo ago

Pick up your balls man

Sourcenode 11mo ago

No need for this sir

Greysack The Mildly Retarded 11mo ago

You can change some of the moderates minds, as they are normal people that have been lied to. The far left is just mentally ill people (that's not hyperbole). You can't fix them with logic and reason.

Josua Schmid 11mo ago

Yes

fareastrich 11mo ago 💬 2

Hard to reason someone out of a position they came into through emotion

StackSats.IO 11mo ago

Correct.

We don’t need to reason with leftists. You’ll get more reasoning out of a stray cat than from a western indoctrinated leftist who has been programmed into their thought pattern.

I’m on #nostr so I don’t have to see their shit. I have no desire to try to talk them into better ideas.

They’re retarded - fuck them.

fareastrich 11mo ago 💬 2

A person basically has to do it on their own through a process of inquiry and intellectual honesty.

Most of us leaned left at one time when we were younger.

It's something that one has to do themselves though... Except in rare cases.

StackSats.IO 11mo ago

“The system” is setup to grind lower until you work out how to beat it.

Yes you have to learn what to save in (BTC), but first you have to learn how the market works.

fareastrich 11mo ago 💬 2

You have to learn a lot of things.... Mostly it comes down to experience in the real world.... But at some point, you need to have s radicalizing experience.... Then, you seek the knowledge that combined with experience, leads to understanding and wisdom.

StackSats.IO 11mo ago

Maybe. Maybe or I snap my fingers to the same result?

fareastrich 11mo ago

What?

Crazy Horse Malt Beverage 11mo ago

Scratch a leftist, find a totalitarian.

vinney...axkl 11mo ago 💬 2

A proper nostr is a dark forest where "the leftists" can stay in their own little island (if they want). The "we" you are referring to is a fiction on a proper decentralized network. You assume a fully-connected network. Don't do that.

StackSats.IO 11mo ago

Yes I agree. It’s not a dark forest with one little corner for them ATM though, so I maintain - fuck the leftists. We need scale before we start giving a fuck about them or what they want.

We don’t need to cater to them and provide a dark corner for them, they can fuck off to BlueSky or wherever else if they want a safe space.

They can be absorbed naturally through scaling. The idea we should actively seek them out as a bootstrap cohort is retarded - you don’t invite people like this in unless you want your face eaten,

vinney...axkl 11mo ago 💬 2

Your face is un-eatable on Nostr. I don't even understand what you're concerned about will happen... Say 20,000 of the worst-case users joined tomorrow, what do you think would happen to your experience?

StackSats.IO 11mo ago

I reckon they’d spit their dummies that they can’t censor people directly so they’d go to other means to see who they could shout it through. How could they align 20k users?

vinney...axkl 11mo ago 💬 2

I don't understand this message. Could you re-word it or something?

How would your experience of Nostr and the people you choose to follow be degraded by the fact that other people also use the protocol?

StackSats.IO 11mo ago

You open the doors, you get the dregs of the first world.

Be careful who you invite.

vinney...axkl 11mo ago 💬 1

Don't open YOUR door then.

I truly am perplexed wrt what you think Nostr is... If someone else uses SMTP, does it impact your ability to send and receive emails with people you trust who run their own mail servers? If course not. It's an open protocol.

StackSats.IO 11mo ago 💬 2

Look around Vinney. Whose reality is more real - yours or mine?

Stop feeding yourself bullshit. Let’s see you be honest

vinney...axkl 11mo ago

On proper decentralized protocols, the subjective view of each node _is_ their reality. Your perspective seems (to me) to be clouded by being accustomed to centralized experiences; this is very common.

I think maybe we're talking past eachother in a pretty extreme way and I'm not sure why.

vinney...axkl 11mo ago 💬 1

Ah, perhaps you'll understand it this way: do the Bitcoin Cash users, existing in their own stupid fork, negatively impact your use of Bitcoin?

Think about that for a little and you'll see my point.

StackSats.IO 11mo ago 💬 1

Perhaps you’ll understand it through the same lens.

Do I give a single fuck about Bcashers? Do I care what they think? Do I want to listen to their opinions?

Do I want to expend resources on opening a safe space for bcashers to be able to voice their opinions to me and other Nostriches?

NO.

FUCK THEM.

FUCK THE BCASHERS. Fuck them all.

We shouldn’t do a single thing to reach out to them. Fuck them.

If they want to build their own shit on #nostr then I’m not going to say anything.

But when people who have the ability to grant money here talk about “reaching out” to people like this then I’m going to stick my head above the parapet and say what I think - fuck the Bcashers, fuck leftists, stop trying to appease your ideological foes, that shit is only going to end badly for you.

We don’t need to hear our leftists or Bcashers - we can tell them to fuck off, and we don’t have to feel bad in doing so. It’s ok. No thoughtpolice are going to come along and judge us for not being nice to leftists and Bcashers. We’re not going to hell because we didn’t satisfy leftists and Bcashers.

You think about that for a bit and you’ll see my point. I’m not interested in absorbing leftist slop nor bcash slop into my frame - I’ve already considered that shit and I want no part of either.

I want them both to fuck off.

I want Robert Conquest’s 3 laws applied. nostr:note1cues8lh3kkvfll5zmmp2uz82up9yhhahk0pjsaqrt4wklg9wx8ps9j6fjx

vinney...axkl 11mo ago

I see your point.

And I appreciate persuasion; sticking your head up to say what you think re "people who have the ability to grant money".

> If they want to build their own shit on #nostr then I’m not going to say anything.

Case closed. They might do just that. And I expect you'll complain about it at the time - which is totally fine with me. As long as the protocols aren't changed in such a way that makes it infeasible for people to participate, then I'm happy to have people yell at eachother as much as they want.

Deleted Account 11mo ago 💬 1

They aren’t for changing, that’s for sure.

StackSats.IO 11mo ago

Exactly. Why engage them in dialogue when we already know for that for them to still be aligned to this statist-Borg of wokeism and money printing socialism means they are not going to change their views.

They’re not on the fence and persuadable. They’re locked in to a worldview which is given to them from on high.