Nostr Web Client

We can probably still build all of this...

Bluesky is an echo chamber of wokeness on a constant witch hunt looking for “Nazis,” by which they mean anyone who doesn’t subscribe lock, stock, and barrel to their dominant yet ever shifting worldview. I’ve already deleted one account there and I’m well on my way to doing it again. I’m much less active than I was in the beginning.

What does this have to do with making relay communities more prominent?

Nothing. We could probably find a way to do something like that, but it might turn this into more of a siloed Mastodon-like environment. The inability to deplatform users is probably going to be a philosophical nonstarter for a lot of people.

I don't believe it's true deplatforming. For example if I decided to use ditto.pub and told all of my followers to go there, then Alex banned me, I'd just tell them all to go to derekiscool.pub and our social graphs come with us. I might be banned from a platform, but I'd just be moving to the next or building my own with relative ease.

Easier said than done. I don’t really want to be chasing people around to different isolated social network buckets. That’s basically what Mastodon was like and I hated it because I could never figure out how to find and follow anyone.

That could happen now if an app that you're using hard codes in the blocking of a npub. I guess NIP-29 apps are really only vulnerable to censorship in this regard?

I like the solution that nostr:npub1g53mukxnjkcmr94fhryzkqutdz2ukq4ks0gvy5af25rgmwsl4ngq43drvk is implementing for Iris.

nostr:note102g24gr5su0f87kxajg08rarv5wh0r0musg6v7k0le76s3yn2dhq0efpr9

I missed that. Thanks.

hodlbod 11mo ago

Coracle has had this for quite a while too

Constant 11mo ago

And 'we' will, for it is not illegitimate, their 'demands' are fair and reasonable; but the issue arrises that they deem their bells and whissles as a minimal viable requirement. As a result they will put it in whatever base protocol they come up with on the one hand, and only begrudgingly build it on top of another protocol if it turns out that is the direction the world is going.

IntuitiveGuy☯️ 11mo ago

I was picturing it in my mjnd while reading it.. it would have been amazing, but not sure how much feasible. Probably that's why didn't go even close to that, since most of them weren't ready for it.

All what you explained can still happen if the Bluesky team or the head there wants to.

Create a way and place where devs nostr devs can interect and discuss with the rest and show them now after that time what they have achieved on the freedom and censorship level with nostr.

Things is are they (Bluesky) ready to not have the power to censor or decide what's wrong/right/censorable.

With all due respect, fuck the leftists.

They owned big tech social media and only now is it slipping through their fingers. All us Nostriches making up this puny 20K daily users - we were all victims of these cunts and their weaponisation of big tech.

That’s what kept people here.

We all saw some shit during Covid, we saw the problem, we saw the solution.

We’re not the only ones with this problem. We know others have it but haven’t pinpointed the cause.

The leftists don’t need to be considered - they dominate the current mainstream narrative.

They’re ideologically opposed to us so why would we want to engage them?

fiatjaf 11mo ago

We need them on Nostr so we can prove them wrong with arguments and change the minds of some of them.

Galaxie 5000 11mo ago

I agree the more we broaden the spectrum the better. Let the ones who will cry and can’t handle go away but there are plenty in the left who would engage and debate. I don’t know about Bluesky but there are many on the left on Instagram and Twitter who slam the crap out of Dems and Libs, for very similar reasons the right does.

Shut up Indian

Galaxie 5000 11mo ago

lol wtf you talkin about

Pick up your balls man

Sourcenode 11mo ago

No need for this sir

Greysack The Mildly Retarded 11mo ago

You can change some of the moderates minds, as they are normal people that have been lied to. The far left is just mentally ill people (that's not hyperbole). You can't fix them with logic and reason.

Josua Schmid 11mo ago

Yes

Hard to reason someone out of a position they came into through emotion

Correct.

We don’t need to reason with leftists. You’ll get more reasoning out of a stray cat than from a western indoctrinated leftist who has been programmed into their thought pattern.

I’m on #nostr so I don’t have to see their shit. I have no desire to try to talk them into better ideas.

They’re retarded - fuck them.

A person basically has to do it on their own through a process of inquiry and intellectual honesty.

Most of us leaned left at one time when we were younger.

It's something that one has to do themselves though... Except in rare cases.

“The system” is setup to grind lower until you work out how to beat it.

Yes you have to learn what to save in (BTC), but first you have to learn how the market works.

You have to learn a lot of things.... Mostly it comes down to experience in the real world.... But at some point, you need to have s radicalizing experience.... Then, you seek the knowledge that combined with experience, leads to understanding and wisdom.

Maybe. Maybe or I snap my fingers to the same result?

What?

Crazy Horse Malt Beverage 11mo ago

Scratch a leftist, find a totalitarian.

A proper nostr is a dark forest where "the leftists" can stay in their own little island (if they want). The "we" you are referring to is a fiction on a proper decentralized network. You assume a fully-connected network. Don't do that.

Yes I agree. It’s not a dark forest with one little corner for them ATM though, so I maintain - fuck the leftists. We need scale before we start giving a fuck about them or what they want.

We don’t need to cater to them and provide a dark corner for them, they can fuck off to BlueSky or wherever else if they want a safe space.

They can be absorbed naturally through scaling. The idea we should actively seek them out as a bootstrap cohort is retarded - you don’t invite people like this in unless you want your face eaten,

Your face is un-eatable on Nostr. I don't even understand what you're concerned about will happen... Say 20,000 of the worst-case users joined tomorrow, what do you think would happen to your experience?

I reckon they’d spit their dummies that they can’t censor people directly so they’d go to other means to see who they could shout it through. How could they align 20k users?

I don't understand this message. Could you re-word it or something?

How would your experience of Nostr and the people you choose to follow be degraded by the fact that other people also use the protocol?

You open the doors, you get the dregs of the first world.

Be careful who you invite.

Don't open YOUR door then.

I truly am perplexed wrt what you think Nostr is... If someone else uses SMTP, does it impact your ability to send and receive emails with people you trust who run their own mail servers? If course not. It's an open protocol.

Look around Vinney. Whose reality is more real - yours or mine?

Stop feeding yourself bullshit. Let’s see you be honest

On proper decentralized protocols, the subjective view of each node _is_ their reality. Your perspective seems (to me) to be clouded by being accustomed to centralized experiences; this is very common.

I think maybe we're talking past eachother in a pretty extreme way and I'm not sure why.

Ah, perhaps you'll understand it this way: do the Bitcoin Cash users, existing in their own stupid fork, negatively impact your use of Bitcoin?

Think about that for a little and you'll see my point.

Perhaps you’ll understand it through the same lens.

Do I give a single fuck about Bcashers? Do I care what they think? Do I want to listen to their opinions?

Do I want to expend resources on opening a safe space for bcashers to be able to voice their opinions to me and other Nostriches?

NO.

FUCK THEM.

FUCK THE BCASHERS. Fuck them all.

We shouldn’t do a single thing to reach out to them. Fuck them.

If they want to build their own shit on #nostr then I’m not going to say anything.

But when people who have the ability to grant money here talk about “reaching out” to people like this then I’m going to stick my head above the parapet and say what I think - fuck the Bcashers, fuck leftists, stop trying to appease your ideological foes, that shit is only going to end badly for you.

We don’t need to hear our leftists or Bcashers - we can tell them to fuck off, and we don’t have to feel bad in doing so. It’s ok. No thoughtpolice are going to come along and judge us for not being nice to leftists and Bcashers. We’re not going to hell because we didn’t satisfy leftists and Bcashers.

You think about that for a bit and you’ll see my point. I’m not interested in absorbing leftist slop nor bcash slop into my frame - I’ve already considered that shit and I want no part of either.

I want them both to fuck off.

I want Robert Conquest’s 3 laws applied. nostr:note1cues8lh3kkvfll5zmmp2uz82up9yhhahk0pjsaqrt4wklg9wx8ps9j6fjx

I see your point.

And I appreciate persuasion; sticking your head up to say what you think re "people who have the ability to grant money".

> If they want to build their own shit on #nostr then I’m not going to say anything.

Case closed. They might do just that. And I expect you'll complain about it at the time - which is totally fine with me. As long as the protocols aren't changed in such a way that makes it infeasible for people to participate, then I'm happy to have people yell at eachother as much as they want.

Deleted Account 11mo ago

They aren’t for changing, that’s for sure.