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I find the notion that we are born with a sin, unjust. I can’t believe God is unjust.
In Islam everyone is born with a clean slate.
We were born without sin in the Garden of Eden. The notion of born with sin is simply a recognition that our souls were not fresh off the press when we were born. Sin literally just means error; and you couldn't argue a baby won't make mistakes.
The idea that one has to be cleansed when they are born is something I can’t agree with. All souls ARE fresh. Babies did not do anything wrong. They have no error, they do no error. You can’t hold them accountable for anything.
There is no accountability until one has been taught right from wrong, and had the chance to be given the a choice… then accountability starts.
I agree that babies are not born good or evil. I think much of this comes down to sentiment around what it means to sin.
This topic reminds me of the pre/trans fallacy that Ken Wilber has written about. Might be worth looking at if you're interested.
But the only way anyone could ever do wrong is if they were not properly taught right from wrong. The reason doing the right thing is right is because it produces the best results.
Evil is simply ignorance, and just like most toddlers are tyrants, babies are born ignorant.
The origin of the word sin comes from archery. It means, to miss the mark.
We all miss the mark. Only God is all knowing and all loving in every moment. The rest of us can only attempt to align with his will.
While I don't know much about Islam I have respect for many of the Muslim men I have spoken with about spirituality and theology over the years. I'm interested in learning more at some point.
Knowing you're a sinner helps you forgive yourself for being human, and keeps your ego in check.
It's not about good and evil, it's about acknowledging that you can always be better, but that you're forgiven for being human.
It’s not that you’re born already having sinned, but a recognition that everyone will sin.
This makes sense.
But I thought that’s why people get baptized, no?
Meaning you are goin to hell, if you are not cleansed from the sin you were born with.
For example, if a Hindu, Muslim, satanic child dies, they are not automatically going to heaven… they are in the mercy of god. Similarly people who lived before Christianity, or people who never got the chance to hear about Christianity. Because they never got a chance to be cleansed from their sin or the sins they may commit without knowings it’s even a sin.
I guess, I should be more open minded.
I’m a Protestant; my perspective is people are saved by repenting of sins they’ve committed, choosing to turn away from future sins, and pursuing a right relationship with God — matters of the heart, which the ritual of baptism demonstrates to the community.
Like you can be legally and factually married without having a wedding with friends and family invited, but having a wedding demonstrates your marriage to the community so they can both celebrate and hold you accountable.
The common Protestant view which I share is not that people are born with sins already committed that need cleansing, but that they’re born with a tendency to sin that will certainly show itself.
I’d love to talk about this with you more; maybe next time we meet up in person would be better!
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