I can’t believe I’m saying this, but the situation in Venezuela is making me reconsider some of my harsh judgments of US covert operations.

Consider the following scenario:

You see what is happening in Venezuela, and say, “

we have to help those people”.

But how? You can’t do an outright invasion, it’s a sovereign country. And you don’t want to just indiscriminately drop arms in the country, resulting in widespread armed street warfare and crime. So what are your options? You could make contact with resistance groups, and train and arm some of them to fight back against the tyrannical regime.

Oh wait… we’ve done that all over the world, and it has a tendency to backfire, as many times the resistance groups wind up being just as bad as the original tyrants if not worse.

No, I’m not saying the CIA isn’t criminal from the beginning, and has good intentions. I’m saying I can see some nuance there that makes things not so black and white.

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i agree. i’ve heard of people saying the us should intervene in méxico’s cartel issues, but it’s hard to navigate a “solution” like that. give arms to the wrong people and everyone is fucked. or just like it happened in the mexican revolution, méxico splits up in factions and civil war breaks.

it’s almost as if the solution is letting countries figure out things for themselves. but also, how do we do that without being complicit in human right violations?

I know you’re right. It’s just hard to sit by. Grrr. 😡

it is! it sucks, and i think our nature is to help our neighbors. i encourage individuals to aid other individuals, but as a “state” we shouldn’t help. i think it’s an offense to a country’s intellect to interfere in their affairs.

we can give knowledge and resources to individuals as individuals, but to trust some random politician that we’ve never met before to “solve” things for people they have never met before, it’s insane.

I’ve actually been pondering how the People in one place can help the People in another do… shall we say… Liberty increasing things.

Rather than turning to the State, which is often the problem in both places, how can intentional information sharing change the landscape?

The most obvious preparation for this kind of thing would be resilient communication which can bypass state shutdowns. Which i guess means that is task one.

I think I recall a semi organized effort to set up gateways and TOR nodes during the Arab Spring by non state actors. But this would probably be disputed. Any effort even by non state actors will be accused of being state action trafficked through non state actors for what it’s worth.

The only solution on this fallen earth is the sovereign individual thesis that is widespread enough to defund entire territories until the .gov extortion rackets starve and go extinct.

Quote: communication which can bypass state shutdowns.

Which means radio at the end of the day...

Was this a post designed to make yourself feel smart while offering nothing of actual substance, or are there specific projects and solutions you’re trying to make people aware of?

It's a simple statement, there are no gatekeepers & no infrastructure owned & controlled by someone else...

Should be rather obvious.

Ah. It’s the ego for you.

Or do you think your opposite number aren't trying to figure out ways to filter out online means they don't like.

there is no future where I take you seriously now.

Your choice, I don't care.

Thanks. Now let’s talk about how the CIA trained Cuban fighters for the Bay of Pigs.

But then realize they have overthrown stable & prosperous societies in favor of some of the dumbest thugs on the planet because the intelligent leadership didn't bend the knee & couldn't be bribed, and remember how they explicitly aim to disinform the domestic population in order to enslave everyone...

I already know this Jeff. I’m not one dimensional 🫂

my world theory is that peace will be easier to achieve when mega states end, and small states of way less than a few hundred thousand people exist all over. let countries divide into smaller territories, perhaps many countries are too big and that’s why more issues occur.

I actually think about this alot.

same. i think people are too attached to the idea of countries.

Based on history, there would still be local war and more slavery. What we need is more people with a shared world view (moral framework, first principles) living in proximity with one another. That's why the colonies didn't fight with one another for 200 years. It's why the elite work to split us up into tribal interests.

what do you mean by based on history? what examples are you referring to?

Western history, Asian history, African history, South American history, tribal American history, Persian history. The history of human beings is filled with war.

hmm maybe yeah, or maybe we sensationalize war over all other good things that happen in history. you should check out the book humankind by rutger bregman, it’s a pretty good telling of how there’s been “better” in history than what we are told

100s of millions of deaths to war over the centuries is hardly sensationalization. The fact is that until the appearance of classical liberalism and the recognition of natural law, the life of the average person has been arduous and short. Even then, humans haven't changed at all. We've accomplished some things for sure, but utlimately we have no power to improve ourselves. That is, unfortunately, a satanic lie.

you’re not wrong about the shared moral framework. you are wrong about a grand unified vision amongst the colonies prevent them from fighting. they did fight. they just had larger enemies and threats that made it infrequent. In fact, the colonies, other than having the same moral framework, lived in the way nostr:npub16wy27uj48r82gskq48uvxku8076h0y9xcngsgry7j4yn6zxmnznqu4hy6a describes. The irony is, those who believe in a grand unified view often call those who believe in decentralization “utopians” which is what they are.

I didn't say there was a grand unified vision. They saw themselves as very separate colonies. But they did not, as a rule, raid each other, burn each other's villages down, steal each others' grain, take one another's land. They weren't perfect, but they had a general respect for the rule of law and understood the value of classical virtue and morality.

either way we get the "refugees"...

End the drug war. Legalize it. And I don't mean what they did with pot. I mean end the war and regulation. Cuts off the source of so much of the problems. Stay out of their business. The US has been manipulating South America for a long time. If the US and the global business interests would leave them alone they might still be screwed if they choose socialism but that isn't the only issue.

Take that for what's worth. None of these things are the single fix/cause. Far more complex than any of probably understand.

I just assumed the US was covertly propping up maduro

Something worth reflecting on. I appreciate you exploring the complexity/nuance.