Who sustains the Federal Government?

2.14 trillion was collected in income taxes in 2022. Of that, the bottom 50% of all IRS returns, which is about 76 million people, paid a combined $65B.

That's pocket change. IMO, 76 million people shouldn't even file or worry about IRS stuff. Let's stop wasting their time.

The top 50% paid 2.07T dollars:

Top 1% (1.5m ppl, income >$660K) -> $854.5B

5% to 1% (5m ppl, income >$260K) -> $448.6B

10% to 5% (8m ppl, income >$175K) -> $235.0B

25% to 10% (23m ppl, income >$100K) -> $320.5B

50% to 25% (38m ppl income >$50K) -> $213.6B

With today's DOGE results, the 50% to 25% shouldn't need to file anymore.

With a few more DOGE results, the 25% to 10% might not need to file.

We only really need the Top 10% of filers (15 million people) to sustain the federal government with 1.5T dollars paid.

This is realistic. Let's stop wasting everybody else's time.

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It’s not about the money

It’s psychic control

It doesn't need to be

We don't get to choose

Why not? Find people who promote this claim, set them up to rally for congress and vote for them. Yes it is a lot of work. Lot of work does not equal impossible.

It's not important enough to make a successful single issue campaign

No taxes would be a great single issue campaign imo

* Except payroll, estate, excise, corporate, state-income, property, sales, duties, tariffs, and inflation

No tax period.

I’d vote for it

So no representation either?

So you are against chance equality? Or what way of creating chance equality is there, when there is no community fund?

YES YOU COMMIE TRASH I AM AGAINST EQUALITY.

Why don’t you apply your 1 brain cell and try to understand what equality really means:

Equality = everyone dead.

If humans are NOT DEAD: humans are unequal and “diverse”.

Some work hard and build companies and create jobs and wealth, and some people are lazy piece of shit communists like you!

And that is the good and right source of all society, art, invention, diversity, and discovery that make human life worth living!

GFY !

Great! Since everyone pays their share and you aren't paying any taxes you won't need any of those roads, civil protection, enforced property rights, military protection, etc that the state provides. I would make sure no one knows where you are, in case they decide to try out literal piracy 🏴‍☠️ 🫡

Come fuck around and find out any day faggot

Sorry, I pay my taxes so I don't have to

You think the cops care if you pay your taxes or not?

Good luck with your life in the hands of the jack booted enforcers.

Talk about Stockholm syndrome lmao 🤣

I hope you find more in life. By the looks of it that should be some form of Protestantism, but I'm not familiar with any denomination that preaches whatever this is

I hope so 🙌

I've thought that for a while too.

There is a certain concept that the money raised is irrelevant compared to the element of control and fear that having a population forced into keeping records and scared to make a mistake or fight back.... Those in power can use the taxman to go after their opponents or competitors, sparing the corrupt or part of the same secret handshake brigade...

The government should never be this large. Everyone needs to stop paying.

Also, an easy way to get people to support tariffs is if they directly offset some income tax. It might boost the economy, too, by increasing spending.

how much were other taxes, like vat?

The US doesn't have vat.

https://usdebtclock.org/

sales tax. whatever 😁

There is no national sales tax

Tariffs = federal sales tax.

Tariffs= consumption tax.

Bitcoiners: save > consume

Taxation is theft. If we must tax, tax consumption. Not production. The Blockchain is no different. The transaction "tax" of Bitcoin is a consumption tax.

Inflation is theft.

National debt is theft.

Regulation is theft.

Income tax is theft.

Social security tax is theft.

Medicare tax is theft.

Tariffs are theft.

Americans like being stolen from.

Chose one type of theft you like the most.

I chose tariffs.

Bitcoin transaction fee is a service charge that goes to mining enterprise, not a tax.

Taxes are a tough subject for me. I think the tax system we have in the States is messed up. But I also believe the open brand of free trade we participate in is wrong, too. What has been said in the news lately is that other countries are allowed to freely export their goods to the USA, and they charge American companies high(er) w fees and tariffs hen we send goods to their countries. How is that fair? I believe I have heard from the news channels online that Mr. Trump is merely doing reciprocal tariffs (except in the case of China - they are targeted tariffs - not balanket). And, from what I've read and heard, it sounds like many countries are calling to set up time to make deals with the US to negotiate and mutually lower/eliminate tariffs. In my simple mine, Trump is merely standing up for the people he represents (much as you would to a high school bully), and saying, "This isn't fair. Knock it off, or deal wit me." I'd be happy to hear your thoughts.

99% of the debt was wasted to corruption one way or another. Why does income need to be taxed at all? The entire system is a violation of privacy, the aportionment clause and of the fourth Amendment. Eliminate all income.Tax, both corporate and personal. Let government services all be voluntary and wars funded with charitable donations.

Wishful thinking. There is no law between governments, only power.

I won't argue with you on this point

The tax money was already withheld from my paycheck by my employer and remitted to the Govt. Why does anyone need to file at all? With some refinements, we can have brokers and banks withhold taxes on investment income and remit that piece to the Govt also. Maybe you would only file something if you were over-withheld and you want to claim a tax refund.