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No, Hamas is full of religious fanatics who convinced an entire region to sacrifice their children for a military adventure.

They're international political locusts and the Palestinians got hoodwinked into joining their fight to wipe Israel completely off the map and turn Palestine into a Sunni theocratic state. That is their own self-proclaimed political goal, and it is a goal that could completely destroy Palestine, but Hamas doesn't care. Hamas has never cared. Hamas does not want to be a good national government for Gaza; it wants to establish a worldwide Umma. Those are two opposing goals. You have to break some eggs, when making an Umma omelette and Palestine is the eggs.

Hamas has also never been the preferred government for a majority of Palestinians. The whole movement is astroturf, with Palestinians backing their efforts out of ethnic loyalty and political frustration at the lack of progress elsewhere. Everyone wants to be "keeping it real" and "sticking up for the homies", but their homies are _insane_. Like black people who defend gang bangers because they don't want to look like a sellout.

And you don't get to call it a genocide, if you start a war. Did the Germans get genocided by the Allies? No, THEY LOST AND GOT THEIR ASS KICKED.

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it begs the question though

which arms manufacturers and political actors benefit from this endless war?

Mainly American ones. Israeli ones might be another major benefactor. UK and Germany also high on list.

Citizens in the attacking countries pay money to profit the arms dealers; kids in Gaza pay blood.

spoiler alert: the ones trying to make a "greater israel"

Everyone. All of them are making money off of the war, including the ones working within Palestine and Israel. There is no political motivation, from any side, to end the war.

It's the same in Ukraine. Everyone on both sides is making bank and there is no motivation to end it.

War becomes perpetual because of this ramping-up and entrenchment effect of a war economy. It usually only ends when one economy gets so flattened that it can't continue to produce or import weaponry. Just have to look at Somalia or Afghanistan or Syria or wherever, to see that this can go on and on and on...

and the propaganda machine keeps the people pacified towards continuing it forever, while they start to more and more notice that everything costs more. but that's just a coinkidink.

People also just get bored of the topic. There's always a new war, someplace.

Palestine is a classic example of outsiders goading an ethnic minority into a hopeless war and then abandoning them and "supporting" them by sending heart emojis on Twitter and concern-trolling at left-wing campus demos.

Palestine was a political fad and it's already going out of style. It was a dumb idea. Someone should have explained to them, what a dumb idea it is, but nobody actually cared about them. They're just a political mascot that people wave around to look cool. The national flag equivalent of a Che Guevara t-shirt.

And soon the news will move on and they will be left with the rubble, where their cities used to be, and their shitty government and begging for food and medicine and clean water from the very people they started a war against.

Same as the Germans did. Same damn idiocy. Same damn motivation. Same damn starvation. Same damn rubble.

People never learn: aggressive wars do not solve your problems. They just give you bigger problems.

We Germans do know all about these fun little war parties. No, we do not recommend you try them at home.

Key difference:

For Palestinians arming themselves in self-defense, profit is successful self-defense, and potentially justice.

For genocidal arms manufacturers, profit is printing more money than you spend, until suddenly, at an older, wiser age, profit is getting away with your war crimes.

Everyone always claims self-defense. It's an irrelevant argument.

You always start off making just enough for your own situation, but economies of scale make it easy to run up production, and then you start specializing and exporting. And exporting the arms helps you finance your war, so it's a vicious cycle, and you just keep doubling-down.

You literally just said self-defense is an irrelevant argument

How do you sleep at night?

Are you claiming that it is relevant? It's a completely subjective argument based largely upon feels and sliding time scales.

The Other Side ™️ is always the aggressor and the arguments usually go back hundreds or even thousands of years.

I am claiming Palestine was the aggressor and Israel is defending itself. You would claim the opposite. We are both right. We are also both wrong.

That is why wars are stupid and generally to be avoided.

i wish i never commented on that stupid shit this morning

Also, don't bother calling it genocide. I'm not someone attending Womens' Studies classes at Yale, and learning to make vulva-shaped ashtrays out of organic, fair-trade clay, while sipping green smoothies and fretting over how life is unfair and we need to be nicer to the little brown people.

I am a serious person from a military background and this is a conversation about strategic thinking.

The Palestinians would have been better off talking about their retarded plans with someone shrewd like me, rather than basking in the light of the Decadent Bored Overemotional Midwits, but they were too silly to do that, which is why they quickly got their ass handed to them and people are now making plans to turn their homeland into a beach resort.

Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.

I hate to say this but I feel like your IQ might be low enough to be one of those people that's been saying Hamas should release the hostages ever since Oct 7

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Ding ding. We keep forgetting to follow the money like imprinted goslings following personas as if they matter.

Germany sold Bitcoin and said it was because they're too retarded to understand Bitcoin

Hamas stopped accepting Bitcoin donations and said it was because they were worried about donors being targeted

Germans didn't get walled into death camps by the Allies, this isn't a war

You apparently have no idea of the amount of German civilians the Allies and Soviets knowingly raped and killed. It was an absolute slaughter.

They overran and leveled entire cities. Dresden was only one. Hiroshima only got the bomb, and not Berchtesgaden, because the Germans surrendered before the bomb was done being built.

And the original post-war game plan was the Morgenthau Plan, not the Marshall Plan.

The only ones walled in were the ones Germany walled in

Germans were always allowed to leave

The kids in Gaza are not allowed to leave

the parents in gaza won't let the kids leave

The parents in Gaza aren't the ones not letting the kids leave

Israel, Egypt, the US, etc. all joined together to build walls around them and still stay joined together to keep them walled in

they actually didn't bomb hiroshima and nagasaki nearly as bad as dresden.

also, actually there was no bomb. the story is full of holes you could drive an aircraft carrier through. it's pure propaganda, but maybe you remember me saying that.

saturation bombing is what they did. the ones they dropped on japan were a propaganda stunt that was politically expedient for both japan and USA because russia was about to show up to the party and they would have leveled the place even more than the americans already had.

the specific bombs they actually used had extra show features like magnesium flash but experts in bomb damage saw it and said "huh, if this bomb was different why does the damage look the same as everywhere else?"

I don't know. I just know that Heidelberg didn't get flattened because the generals liked the pretty castle and wanted to live there.

So, they flattened Mannheim and Ludwisgha, next door.