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Derek Ross 2y ago

the nostr protocol is very basic. nostr consists of authentication and sending data to and receiving data from decentralized servers.

when you think about how most of the apps on your phone function, you'll realize that at their basic levels, they just authenticate a user and send data to and receive data from a central server.

the Other Stuff part of the N*OS*TR acronym lives here.

should everything be rebuilt upon nostr? no, probably not. could a large portion of the top 100 apps on your favorite app store be rebuilt with nostr in mind? absolutely.

eventually, we'll reach a critical mass point where developers and entities will want to do this, because when they do, they'll automatically have millions of potential users for their brand new application. this is powerful.

what's one application that you can't live without? could it be rebuilt on nostr? if so, are you willing to pay for it? have you submitted a bounty for it yet over at https://nostrbounties.com ?

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₿logging₿itcoin 2y ago

Standard Notes and it's one of the reasons I'm excited about highlighter.com

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Derek Ross 2y ago

I really need to use Highlighter more.

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₿logging₿itcoin 2y ago

Me too, and I use it more than average.

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Jeroen 2y ago

Thank you! Never knew about highlighter.com but is working really fine indeed for creating private notes and ofc public notes. :-D

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Nice and Kind Vic 2y ago

Wireguard.. I cant live without that and no way could that be rebuilt with nostr.

Clock.. doesnt (shouldnt) be sending data to servers, but possible for storage of lightweight preferences. Id want that to be encrypted.

Assorted apps reading REST based json APIs, some GRPC. These also wouldnt work well via nostr due to protocol bloat. That includes apps like Fountain for podcasts.

On the flip side, apps that need some authentication to identify would benefit by using nostr login vs email addresses or as an option in many cases. But bear in mind, the more data you tie to a single pubkey, the more that is collated about your life and behavioral network usage patterns. So thats a double edged sword

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Derek Ross 2y ago

I can't see why Fountain couldn't? Especially with the new NIP-97 proposal. We'd just need specialized relays to host this data.

We can have multiple pubkeys and use them for different apps. I may not want certain data to be co-mingled with my public profile.

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Nice and Kind Vic 2y ago

Actually yeah I agree on fountain being able to convert to nostr for some of its app content

- boosts

- comments

- prefs ( followed shows, boost and stream settings )

The podcast content itself stays hosted where it is in binary form along with data in RSS feeds

Streaming sats probably wouldnt make sense to route through nostr as it wouldnt add value, and would be bad for relays

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Derek Ross 2y ago

Streaming sats on the backend is probably just a constant stream of invoices being created and paid. These could be Zaps?

I dont mind application preferences being local settings.

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Kamo Weasel 2y ago

We would have to have a good cloud server on #Nostr like Mega. And maybe integrate more streaming platforms 🤔

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Derek Ross 2y ago

I think we need more streaming platforms too. We'll get them.

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il_lost_ 2y ago

Nostr build premium, plebcloud 😅

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Egge 2y ago

What do you mean by authentication? Most traffic on nostr is not even authenticated. Because everything is signed there is almost no need for authentication.

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Derek Ross 2y ago

Public and private key cryptography is a form of authentication.

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Egge 2y ago

Yeah that’s true. It is just very different than the authentication that we are used to from other platforms.

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Derek Ross 2y ago

agree. and that's part of the tech hurdle for most.

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Jingles 2y ago

how many users do you think are ready for “other stuff”?

Do you think that most users here only use (or care about) that few apps? (that all “onboard articles” will point to)

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Derek Ross 2y ago

in my honest opinion, i don't see any sort of considerable amount of people coming to nostr specifically for "Other Stuff" or any micro-service just yet.

i think all of our non social apps and micro-services such as your password manager and your URL shortener will be used by nostriches first and for a while only by nostriches. we'll know that nostr is a success when people start using the "Other Stuff" without being on one of nostr's social apps first.

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Niel Liesmons 2y ago

They’ll be more then ready for it when it’s a 10x improvement. Or when it’s something they absolutely need access to (money, lllm, …)

Those improvements are a lot more likely to happen with the “other stuff” in my mind. Censorship-resistance is not even an improvement for most people. I fail to see how microblogging can innovate like crazy without the integration of all the “other stuff”.

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086564b2... 2y ago

Great post!

Email with complete encryption.

SimpleX style integration

More TOR only, everything.

More full audio groups like nests but with https://meet.jit.si/

Jitsi audio and video fully encrypted service!!

Not real excited about the name “nests” but thats just me.

Thanks