Hey nostr:nprofile1qqsrmpp2lmx4u2fl9zmxy7fnwp9rlwxwz5a2j8tep2c376n494z2gtgpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgcwaehxw309anxjmr5v4ezumn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tcprpmhxue69uhkxun9v968ytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuef09lplkt, you are using inbox.nostr.wine as a write/outbox relay. So, all outbox clients are trying to download your posts from the inbox relay. This generates a lot of filters that will never return anything because the relay doesn't have those posts.
Discussion
nostr:nprofile1qqspwwwexlwgcrrnwz4zwkze8rq3ncjug8mvgsd96dxx6wzs8ccndmcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctv9uq3xamnwvaz7tmsw4e8qmr9wpskwtn9wvhs9em8xf you are doing the same thing. PurplePages should also not be in your NIP65 relay list.
Should we be using it for public inbox or just the DM inbox?
It takes in zaps and dms, so it is great for Public and Private inbox.
But it does not take replies, reactions, etc. Which means the relay cannot be the ONLY item in your inbox list. Otherwise clients will never see any replies to your posts.
God damn nostr:nprofile1qqsrmpp2lmx4u2fl9zmxy7fnwp9rlwxwz5a2j8tep2c376n494z2gtgpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejsz9mhwden5te0ve5kcar9wghxummnw3ezuamfdejsz9mhwden5te0vdex2ct5wghxummnw3ezuamfdejsh4dl23 get your shit together man.
What were you even thinking 😂
PurplePages should not be in your NIP-65 Relay Lists, nostr:nprofile1qqsfuwkp4avcnuj6udxucyz4ll3v3hevjgh3lmnhte9mqlj4uxxvrkgpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpzdmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ue0qy28wumn8ghj7un9d3shjctzd3jjummjvuhshe0tcd
Slow down there, I just have the amethyst standard relays I think 🤔
I kicked it out 😇
Nice! Since you are there, are
nostr.neilalexander.dev
relayable.org
taipei.scarab.im
Working?
I can't connect with them.
No idea how I could tell 😅😅😅
They show a bunch of errors and not much of the good old MBs
I kicked out a few relays with more errors then MBs😇
I remember you saying less relays work better, or just as good 🤔
Well, in this case, the MBs show that you are sending a lot of data up and the relays have never sent you anything back. It's just using your data plan without any benefit.
MB is megabyte of data of you don't know.
Hehe yes megabytes I know 😇
So does the upload help with getting my post out to the network?
Yeah that’s true. I honestly don’t think there is a 100XX list relay setup that accomplishes my goals. I won’t personally ever use an outbox client but I get that it becomes an issue for those that do.
I post my public notes to nostr.wine and cellar.nostr.wine along with ~10 free relays (plus NIP-65 relays for any tagged user). I want to receive DMs via inbox.nostr.wine. I want to read notes exclusively from nostr.wine and filter.nostr.wine. I want replies to go to any free relay our aggregator reads from (virtually all) but I don’t want to add that relay to my list as I don’t want my client to use it directly.
Is there a way to set this up with the relay lists without reading directly from the free relay(s) in Amethyst?
Outbox in Write: nostr.wine
Are your followers supposed to connect with Cellar to download your posts? If so, then add cellar.nostr.wine to the "write" part of the NIP-65 list. If not, if this is just for you, then this needs to be in an internal list in the client you use.
inbox.nostr.wine put it on the DM Relay List only.
Where do you want other clients to send all events that are mentioning (p-tagging) you, like zaps, replies, likes, streams where you are hosting, etc? That goes in the NIP-65 list with the "read" option. I don't think the "wine" company has a good option for that. So, your users might not be seeing replies without other relays.
The setting of "I want to read notes from x and y" doesn't have a place. Because no one else needs to know how you are reading your posts. It should be an local list somewhere in each client.
Your replies should go to whatever relay that author is using as public inbox. I don't think it's good for Nostr to send replies everywhere, indiscriminately.
My replies do go to the authors public inbox (though they also may end up on other relays).
So there is no way for me to use nos.lol as my public inbox on amethyst but only read events from filter.nostr.wine and never connect to nos.lol to fetch replies, correct?
Thats my predicament.
Currently, you can put filter.nostr.wine in the "General Relay" section so that the app uses that to pull posts to the phone. But that section will go away soon because of the outbox.
You can add nos.lol to the Public Inbox relays on Amethyst. That means that all users will send you information there. But Amethyst will connect to nos.lol as well :( to download your notifications.
youre gonna need a way to specify relays as "spam safe" like gossip does. that way it knows not to pull comment spam..
I was thinking in the opposite. Specifying which relays should be blocked and never connect. Does Gossip also has NIP-51 blocks? nostr:nprofile1qqsq0aun5tp6z7csek0ghr0n0leh7guq8wr57xtuxtgysv4e87gt9rgpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj77p470u?
Gossip client does not currently have NIP-51 blocked relays (10006). I'll open an issue for it.
"Spam safe" basically stops it from loading replies & mentions from strangers from ALL relays, and then you have to whitelist the relays you trust.
blocking is not a substitute for spam safe flags. since i still gotta connect to dirty relays of my damus follows and such.
you should give gossip a spin. it might help you see what good gossiping does. (i recommend unstable branch)
Yeah that’s my main problem. I can feel all of nostr moving to a model where I’ll need to simply build my own client. It’ll probably eventually happen 😂
Anyway - thanks for pointing that out to me. I’ll fix the inbox part from the main list. It’s weird because I think Damus still uses the 10002 for their static relay list, so if I remove inbox from it I won’t connect to that relay anymore.
I think nostr:npub1n0stur7q092gyverzc2wfc00e8egkrdnnqq3alhv7p072u89m5es5mk6h0 is the only one that lets me truly do that I want with our aggregator. Both app only lists and optional outbox relay crawling. Thanks nostr:npub1n0sturny6w9zn2wwexju3m6asu7zh7jnv2jt2kx6tlmfhs7thq0qnflahe !
Check on https://metadata.nostr.com/ on a desktop
Also, I think you should separate DMs from Zaps and the other stuff in the Inbox relay.
Otherwise people will put in the Public Inbox and clients will build big filters to download zaps, replies, likes etc. And the relay will just reject the REQ because it includes kinds that it doesn't allow.
One of these days I have to figure out what relays actually do, besides... relaying, you know
Maybe what nostr needs is relay packs!