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#btc peepz. noob here. I saw few people mentioning that everything is traceable on the blockchain. btc is traceable.

But...

Am I right saying that people will ony put two and two together if you disclose your btc wallet? Is this a correct assumption? Btw this is in the assumption that you use nokyc.๐Ÿ˜‰

please help? ta! โ˜บ๏ธ

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Yes, every transaction is on the blockchain so it is traceable. Blockchain Explorer is a good way to look at it https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/blocks/btc/864544

And yes, itโ€™s only traceable if someone knows the wallet owner. There are forensic accountants who can figure out who owns the wallet even if itโ€™s nokyc. They can trace things like spending habits on the wallet, addresses, and if the government is involved the physical hardware.

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Now I understand why the appeal of Monero as a privacy transaction. ๐Ÿค”

It makes sense! ๐Ÿ’ฏ

Yeah, thatโ€™s definitely a benefit to Monero! Also why mixers are popular because itโ€™s a lot harder to trace a Bitcoin transaction when itโ€™s been mixed through different cryptos and back to Bitcoin.

oh I see. this is very insightful! A lot to think about. โ˜บ๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ’ญ

Without #privacy the payment use case is hard to make. Would you accept all your bank accounts and financial transactions to be known to each person you pay with a credit card? Probably not, and there is no reason as to why this would be more desirable when using #crypto. #Monero fixes this.

any recommendation where to get the best Monero wallet for beginners?

Featherwallet

ty โœŒ๏ธโ˜บ๏ธ

CakeWallet is another popular wallet for Monero.

Is that mobile only? Or is it desktop and mobile?

I think itโ€™s only mobile.

Use lightning if you have to use BTC, more private than base layer, harder to trace.

ta! โœŒ๏ธ๐Ÿ’ฏ

With the proper knowledge, time, and money you can remain anonymous on Bitcoins blockchain. But you can *never* be private because everything is visible to everyone in the world even if they don't necessarily know who you are.

Yes, ideally you would buy no-KYC and Coinjoin often (but that will be relatively expensive and time-consuming). Most transactions are naively traceable because hardly anyone Coinjoins.

If you want anonymity *and* privacy, the future ultimately boils down to making your transactions on a second/offchain layer (ecash, lightning, drivechain, zkrollups, etc), or a privacy-focused blockchain (Monero, LitecoinMWEB, etc). Each thing has it's own advantages.

very insightful. is there a no-kyc ecash? Most of them ask for a long list of data about you. ๐Ÿ˜” Or the one that works in Europe! โ˜บ๏ธ

Really? I actually don't know of any ecash right now that requires KYC ๐Ÿ˜… and the protocols are permissionless so anyone can spin up a mint that doesn't require it.

Ecash provides very strong privacy and anonymity within the mint (even from the mint itself), but one big caveat: It requires some trust since they are custodians. They can steal your Bitcoin or issue unbacked tokens (fractional reserve).

I sent you some ecash in a message you can claim and play around with

You can use a VPN to get around any geoblocking. I use Minibits but here are a few that don't require KYC:

https://www.minibits.cash/

https://www.enuts.cash/

https://wallet.cashu.me/

https://nutstash.app/

ta will look into it! Haven't seen these ecash before so much appreciated! ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ‘

ENuts!!

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