guys, I literally had an entire thread of maxed out tweets dunking on Cullen Roche’s misunderstanding of accounting lined up and ready to go, was just doing the final edits and the browser glitched and I lost everything.

I don’t have the willpower to do it again, but just know this: liabilities are sources of funding, not “what you owe”.

if you argue with me, you will give me the motivation to destroy you here instead. and it won’t even need to be a “thread” - it can be an offensively long note instead 😂

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This line makes no sense

liabilities are sources of funding, not “what you owe”.

Rage on

please elaborate, good sir, while I sharpen my duelling blade.

I simply don’t understand it

oh, lol, duelling blade away.

the naive understanding of what liabilities (on a balance sheet, in an accounting sense) mean is that it’s a list of “what you owe”. this has some superficial plausibility and in many cases it is literally correct, but it is false as a definition.

the correct understanding is that it lists your sources of funding so as to match them with how they have been allocated (“balance”).

the confusion comes from (I think?): i) that many sources of funding are counterfactual - accounts payable, for example, is your supplier extending you credit, meaning you have a funding need that could have been met with financing, but was actually met in a more intangible manner, and ii) that funding almost always implies a return, hence when you take funding you owe something in return.

nonetheless, there are many examples that show the equivalence (liabilities=what you owe) to be demonstrably silly, which was what my hell thread on the bird app was going to be about. rather than spell them out here, if you are curious, I encourage you to ponder the cases of accrued interest, goodwill impairments, and negative equity.

thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Great TED talk

Thank you

Cullen needs it more as her takes amazingly bad. I even saw another thread where she was going at it with Gladstein and Luke Gromen. My eyes were constantly rolling

I think you're correct, mostly. Debt is a type of liability, but not all liabilities are debt.

However - taxes "owed" are a liability, yet they aren't a source of funding.

The only definition that covers all liabilities as far as I know is "financial obligation towards another party".

taxes is actually an excellent one to debunk this: you “owe” all future taxes, yet they are not liabilities. a deferred tax is a liability because it represents a counterfactual funding: you would otherwise have had to take cash down or debt up to pay it.

“funding” doesn’t need to mean an investment contract. it can mean the financial equivalent of providing or receiving such a contract. accounts payable is a nice example too: that is your supplier giving you credit, which otherwise you would have needed to borrow to cover.

as I said elsewhere, consider accrued interest, goodwill impairment, and negative equity if you want to force the idea to its nonsense conclusions.

I am not saying the examples you give of certain liabilities as a form of funding are wrong - I agree with them.

But your reduction of ALL liabilities to funding is incomplete, as can be seen with taxes.

Taxes owed are a liability on a company's balance sheet and they do not represent any source of funding.

They do represent, like all other liabilities, a future financial obligation towards another entity, in this case the government.

This is what all liabilities have in common.

taxes only ever go on the balance sheet if they are deferred, in which case they have created a funding need. this is literally what ties the entire concept of a balance sheet and accruals accounting together.

EVERY liability represents the matching of funding to allocation. that it is an obligation to somebody is only ever a coincidence.

Your original note said "source of funding", not "source of need of funding", though.

Can you do a thread unroll app thingy for that thread? Heard it was devastating

Cullen Roche is my avatar for twitter tradfi bro