Primal has censored all my comments where I argued against supporting regime change in Venezuela (except one) under one of their developers posts, advocating for regime change
Nobody should use this company and they should be considered hostile to the protocol
Wha?? Damn.
Id bet money they get money from the HRF too
Ive glanced at the financials they post annually, but Im not sure if their grants are public or its just whatever they decide to disclose. Id assume public, but its a so shady. Especially when it comes to NGOs
Funded by ten31 although promoted by HRF regularly in their weekly financial freedom reports.
How did they censor you? Do you get some error when submitting a note using Primal? Did it not broadcast to some specific relays?
Primal reads notes from their caching server as opposed to relays, so theyre able to determine what their users see
i see all your posts on primal
Its not ALL my posts. Its specifically targeting posts criticizing US regime change in Venezuela
For instance, I have dozens of comments under this primal developers post. Do you see more than the two?
i see that tooā¦
Yes, that is the one comment I was referring to it showing previously lol
And even if it wasnt, numerous other people verified it didnt load on primal
What does it matter if they quietly fixed it after I made a stink about it?
Oh lemme guess, youre an investor lmao
i donāt hide that fact, nor the fact that im heavily involved in development of primal
what are the noteids or nevents of the ācensored notesā
Dude look through my posts, I provided all of that. And others verified it also didnt load for them.
Your investment is a danger to the protocol
Kayne mentioned something about seeing less comments when he's on primal compared to yakihonne or amethyst.
Him and a few others were accusing amethyst of bringing in shadow bans (if 5 people you follow have someone muted that you don't already follow their account is hidden from you)
The solution is to use different clients.
Client side censorship is a risk but anyone can build on nostr.
Same with relays, the bigger corporate relays are going to have a lot of censorship as Nostr gets more popular.
I thought you said Kanye and I was confused af lol
And the ability to use different clients is a large part of what makes nostr powerful, but setting such a precedent for censorship in one of the most popular relays is so dangerous
Even if its not that dangerous to the network overall, they should still be called out for doing it
Agreed, it sets a precedent. Everyone should call it out, the community is what keeps the devs honest.
That said I'm surprised that Ye isn't on nostr.
Someone needs to tell him about it, he'd like it here, lots of mentally ill shitposters here already.
Id zap that
Instead, Ill zap this š
Maybe it's something else, I can't see any comments on that video and I'm using yakihonne
Way too targeted. It wasnt just those comments, it was also specific posts if mine about the topic. I clearly angered a primal developer lol
What are the censored event IDs?
Seems fine now (conveniently), but it was basically all the dozens of comments under this post as well as an article I posted from the Grayzone about Venezuelas US backed opposition. Nothing else was affected nostr:nevent1qqsdrcgjutnc4cjfwff273st2st6txspcnzad7enh2g2t5rjg4p2dtgpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qgsd7kep8k8wmfep0946gtxhafk0ejkmnxazkwpw9syfmrkckz9fhggrqsqqqqqpdc2vh6
This guy is not a primal developer
it's irrelevant if they censored this guy or not
what matters is that they can
Yea Im convinced by what I saw, but that is absolutely the real issue. Sacrificing censorship resistance for UX (and presumably compliance) is a slippery slope that you cant just "use another client" away. Although thankfully we always have that power. I certainly dont use them myself, I never even would have known if others didnt bring it to my attention that these posts werent loading on primal
Then it only took a second of looking at primal to realize the pattern
pretty unlikely anyone at primal knows you exist or cares what you say. ā¤ļø
It was literally after arguing on a primal developers post about the exact topic getting censored. Try to keep up!
Honestly, I would have been less of a dick if your profile had loaded in time. I fuck with you, sorry lol
But yea. Primal developer pushing US backed opposition in venezuela, I dissent, suddenly primal users cant see things I say specifically regarding regime change in venezuela.
Then the post gets a little attention, and now investors start commenting trying to debunk it lol
Seems pretty black and white to me
why is āprimal developerā some class of person and not just āsome person thinks differently that meā. you feel pretty off with this one. š¤·
Because this is an issue specifically with primal? If youre curious, just check my profile because thats such an obviously easy to answer question.
i feel bad for you. ā¤ļø youre a food enough guy and all, but no one is censoring you, and no one is out to get you. š¤·
So you think all the other people confirming that all of these different things only do not load specifically on primal are lying? For what?
Do you not know how primal and their caching server works?
Are you another investor?
lol.
could you be any more clicheā?
if dude thinks im being retarded, it must be a conspiracy cause i just cant be retarded!
no primal investment here. i dont even use it. š¤·
I only ask because youre usually smarter than this.
I dont know why youd pretend to not understand that primal developers influence the development of primal. Money is the only reason I can think. I guess you could actually just be that dumb
If you think social media censorship is some "conspiracy theory," boy do you have a lot to catch up with in the modern world
I think what he's saying is he pissed off a Dev that works on primal.
You sound like a fucking blowhard. Nobody cares. Post whatever you want.
Believe it or not, a lot of people on nostr care about censorship resistance. Especially when it comes to censoring dissent from state propaganda
I appreciate that you got triggered enough to comment though
Thereās no censorship. Thatās the point. And even if there was nobody fucking cares enough about you to censor anything you say you narcissistic retard
First note on your account was zionist disinformation about the Bondi terrorist attack...
The man who disarmed one of the Indian terrorists was himself a Muslim from Syria.
Maybe stop getting your information about Australia directly from Benjamin Netanyahu?
Also, you don't have to censor the word terrorist on nostr.
You can say whatever you like here, retard.
Who censored the word terrorist? I sure didnāt. I also know the guy was a Muslim. You know it too. But youāre so brainwashed you think Muslim is a country.
Youāre an example of why Aus is cooked. Leftists cucks that canāt even admit the terrorist was a Muslim. Fucking sad. Hopefully the strong men of Aus ignore weak ass fags like yourself
I don't call people who blow up abortion clinics to kill innocent people Christians either.
You're out here peddling Israeli propaganda against Australia, trying to sow division and hate against innocent people to make Australian society worse for Australians.
How does ot serve you?
As far as I can see the only people who benefit by turning Australians against each other are the ones bleeding us, because if Australia was united Israel wouldn't have the power they have over us.
If a Muslim attacks innocent people in your country based on their religious prejudices then it damn well fucking matters that they are Muslim. Thatās not propaganda. Itās the opposite. Itās called truth. Ignoring truth so you do t offend Muslims is the kind of appeasement that has your country cooked. Youāre allowing an entire culture that is obviously incompatible with your own countryās culture and values to try and coexist. Itās stupid and shit like this will continue to happen. And youāll keep apologizing for them. Sad
As for the strong men of Aus, we're the ones saying fuck you zionist scum.
Attacking leftists for being anti Israel isn't going to win you any points.
The left and the right are united on this one.
You live in a binary world. I donāt like Israel. I donāt like Islam either. Both can fuck off. But Iām not going to pretend the attacker wasnāt Muslim. Thatās the very definition of propaganda. Ask the one alive if heās Muslim - what will he say? Yet your appeasing ass will claim heās not. You can fuck off with that
As for you being a āstrong man of AUSā - I highly doubt that. My guess is youāre one of the many childless, godless, unmarried people that havent accomplished much of anything nor own anything. Thatās the MO for leftists and Muslim apologists of which you are both
Using a centralized server sided instance defeats the purpose of a decentralized platform. I don't know if they actually censor your stuff or not since I don't use them for this exact point of failure. Using decentral clients with a decent amount of relays prevents it entirely. I can see every post in the thread you linked.
I just compared your posts on Primal and Damus for the last week and they match. You need to provide screenshots as proof.
Follow the comments. Other people verified and confirmed, the issue was there until somebody manually rebroadcast those notes to Primals caching server. I dont really care if you believe me or not lol
Nostr is absolutely not censorship-resistant, but it's your own fault for using Primal. You might as well have posted that on BlueSky.
Read before commenting lol I dont use Primal. And nostr is absolutely censorship resistant if done properly. You can always run your own relay if needed
Have you read Primal's ToS or policy?
Just logged into Primal, I'm seeing all your posts. It seems like that'd be an odd topic to have one off censorship on. Do you think there's a chance that they just failed to broadcast to the Primal relay, and now that people are talking about it, they've been re-broadcast? I believe you when you say they were missing earlier, but it doesn't look like anything's being actively censored (from what I can see anyway).
Thats covered in the comments. They likely removed the relevant notes from their caching server (primal reads notes from there, not relays), so their users werent able to see it. Then they were rebroadcat and now theyre available. Everything is visible now, but multiple people confirmed these notes wouldnt load specifically in primal
And I dont think it sounds a weird topic at all to censor if youre a shirtless Primal surfer bro dev thats easily susceptible to propaganda, and you think youre doing something good by making it to your users cant see this "dangerous information"
So something is *definitely* up
I did a speed test and I'm at a 290 Mbps but (1) your profile isn't loading without hiccups (2) I tried to like a post of your's 6 times before it appeared (3) for some reason, the relays are surely slower.
I'm guessing it's coz I'm also on Primal?
An asynchronous network of ad hoc relays might just appear to be censoring you ā¦ for a bit
