I dislike servers

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Really?

Who would bring you your food when you are eating out?

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Cease being a patron

Yep

Humm… how can the #nostres help?

Still give 20%. It’s the right thing to do.

Yeah. Too much tipping I would say.

I love servers

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like the computers? if it’s not your server, it’s someone elses.

I think servers should just become routers/relays, with data and logic stored within nodes/peers. I never thought this was viable until a realized how well nostr relays worked as a NAT workaround.

this is just a half baked idea but there might be something to it.

I like the store-and-forward functionality of nostr without the permanence. Some kind of p2p protocol with state. Maybe im talking crazy. Ill stop now.

I like servers if mine.

The only thing that makes a server a server is that it has a port open to the internet. If more clients could open ports then you wouldn't need a server. But since mobile networks all use heavy nat firewalls and everybody is on mobile now, prob not gonna happen. Take a look at coturn though, it's probably what you want to put on the server if you don't want relay servers to have to store anything.

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I feel you. I get hung up on the permanence of event data today, or maybe lack of explicit impermanence?

we effectively have a decentralized event bus with persistence, that lacks delivery guarantees. we can build small functions and views on top of this to create pretty much anything. peers come and go, updating the state.

I think it would work for most apps.

Thinking through what you might lose… 🤔

Search, discovery, and history unless you created centralized caching and indexing services (like how primal is now doing).

A single source of truth, like say for commercial systems where you don’t want to sell more products than you have.

You also might lose that dashboard of engagement metrics that most content creators are used to getting (which could hold back distributed P2P publishing from mainstream adoption if influencers are addicted to their ego stats).

I’m a server at Disney and I love my job. Maybe I can serve you sometime and I’ll help you switch your perception. I’ll pay for it, and you don’t need to tip me:)

Do you serve their websites? Didn’t realize disney had sentient web servers.

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I have made a terrible mistake

What’s the alternative solution in your opinion?

clients, nodes, peers. servers become dumb proxies/routers/relays

Got it, but in how many time do you think this gonna be reality? I mean servers be completely or in your mostly replaced to this alternatives…

It’s just a fleeting idea, no idea if it makes sense or will become a reality

I agree that this alternatives are interesting, but it’s really hard to determine the viability. The Nostr relays are good examples of how this idea can become to real life

Why?

But they love you.

I love servers, as long as they run a Unix based OS.