Replying to Avatar Jack Spirko

Unpopular and may be at the same time popular opinion on the block size argument related to the ability for everyone to run a full node being necessary for #Bitcoin.

I am not for increase in the block size but I think this all plebs must be able to run a full node shit is the worst argument we have against it.

First space keeps getting cheaper. Second most "plebs" don't run a node already let alone a full node.

Lastly, do we really need all nodes running back to the genesis block. Pretty sure a pruned node that goes back say 5 years is honest as long as you CAN go all the way back if you want to.

This "we all need a node back to genesis" is a dumb argument. Once I have the next block I already trust it.

Have we ever retroactively fixed a 5 year old "error" in the chain? No. Will we ever, no. Do you ever think, I wonder if that transaction from 2016 is still valid, I had better check? No. Why? You understand the tech and are sane that is why.

When we make dumb arguments, we invite attack against our dumb arguments and make the oppositions job easier.

As always I tell anyone wishing to change BTC to get bent. It will change when consensus changes and when consensus changes it is still bitcoin, when it doesn't, it is a shitcoin fork. That is THE argument. That is the protocol layer argument.

Everything else is social, a popularity of ideas argument and those are stupid and always end badly. In a way BTC is like the early US, only the votes of property owners count. You ain't running a node, you don't get a vote.

BCH people are a perfect example, I don't know ONE BCH tard that runs a BCH full node, not one. I tell them you don't even vote in your own republic, fuck the hell off out of mine.

Not all plebs must run a full node, but making it easier and cheaper for more people to run a node is good.

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Be honest what % of plebs run a node now? If it cost 50 bucks more to run one, how many less would.

Also you are back to a SOCIAL argument.

50 bucks is some poor countries is a lot of money, and need more node runners, the more the merrier. What happens if black rock sets 200.000 nodes and we have too little?

You just sent BCH shit coiner with the mythical poor person in Africa argument against LN.

Social arguments always hinge on hypothetical bullshit.

No it's the opposite and it's about math not social, small blocks it's cheaper to make a node making tx on chain more expensive and an incentive to use LN.

Did you read me argue against small blocks at all in this thread? Even one time?

And notice how you shifted your argument?

Do you know why you shifted it? Because you started from a social argument, which will keep you shifting until you fall to a fully logical one. Storage space is one of the most deflationary technologies we have it and will keep getting cheaper. Unlike ASICs that have ONE PURPOSE, SSDs have tens of thousands of uses.

In 10 years a 50TB drive will likely cost less than a steak and a potato. The argument is dumb. The poverty stricken person first has almost no BTC anyway and already does NOT and likely NEVER WILL run a node.

But this argument is iron clad, "Bitcoin is a protocol, it has a specified means of change, that means is consensus. Run a node/mine and participate in consensus. If you don't get your way in a BIP, STFU and move along or FORK OFF away from us".

There is no response to that other than fallacies and pleadings and other shitcoiner bullshit. We have the fortified high ground, why the fuck should we go down into the valley and expose weak flanks?

nostr:npub1h8nk2346qezka5cpm8jjh3yl5j88pf4ly2ptu7s6uu55wcfqy0wq36rpev see above, I'd love your thoughts on this, since I took some of it (a single word "social") from you.

They could do that now if they wanted. It wouldn't matter because they'd have a massive network of only their nodes running a fork of bitcoin. As long as we're running our nodes for our bitcoin transactions, it doesn't matter.

The question then is if they would be able to have the timechain with more hashing power or not. If yes it will be centralized and without freedom and all development would leave, at least good and open source development. They will probably try something like that, in partnership with some big miners. I still think that promoting more node runners is essentially a good thing and it must be as cheapest as possible, because besides hardware there's also internet GB costs. In Europe it's possible to run a node on a 4G router, but not everywhere.

Why would all of the hashers switch their power to mine on Black rocks newly spun up fork? All the other bitcoiners they ever met are on OG bitcoin.

Because "they have the guns"

Guns only work when you know where to point them

Any pleb that wants to know the Bitcoin they have truly belong to them needs to run a full node. There's no exceptions to this, just misunderstanding