It would be overly complicated for what youβd get out of it. How often do you check to see if who all reacted to a post and which which reaction they used? We already have π€ and β€οΈ reactions combined into one list but you only see that if you look at the reactions on that post. Comments are much more efficient for the recipient.
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For disclosure, I wish for a future where I can build my simple algo in the client to create βwhat have I missedβ feeds that I can control.
Likes would be useful to keep to give another data input to the algo.
Donβt put too much weight on these ideas I throw out, they just pure exploration. By discussing them with other it helps me to better explore them, collective thinking out loud.
But if I am having a shitty day and I could quickly filter out all the posts that made people angry from my custom algo feed, Iβd love to be able to so
The challenge then becomes spam. On Twitter, for instance, someone could go buy hundreds or thousands of likes on a tweet through a 3rd party service. I saw someone do this last year and they won 1M sats in a meme contest because the winner was chosen solely on number of likes. π When likes cost nothing or very little, they become an easy target. When something that costs very little becomes an input into an algorithm that could get your attention, now it becomes an attractive target. An easy attractive way to put information in front of lots of peopleβs eyes with the hopes of manipulating some into falling for scams, believing fake news, etc etc etc.
Since when forcing people to do something actually works? #[6]β is not the only client out there
It has never worked, well sometimes it has π€£.
But I agree, there are more customers, but it's a pity that the most important nostr client (and the one that works best too π) makes these changes without generating a debate first.
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We are still forgetting that itβs not in release. Itβs a test, nobody is forced to do anything! App Store version is still available! πΆπΎπ«‘
By you turning on zaps only, that is forcing me π to zap β‘οΈ
Feel free not to zap me, comment, sure. If this will make you feel better, Iβll remove my LN url just for you. Iβve done it before and Iβll do it again, just say a word! πΆπΎπ«‘
That sounds a lot like an ultimatum π
Not really, at least not intentionally. What I am trying to say is, everyone should have a choice (to an extent) and we should all respect it! πΆπΎπ«‘
All good. We just have to agree to disagree. π
Thatβs the way! I am glad we can actually talk as civilized people! Love you and this place! πΆπΎπ«πππ
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It will be interesting to see what happens when there are more iOS native nostr client choices. If thereβs a client that lets me keep using likes, and Damus censors me, then Iβm switching.
There are already alternatives, look:
Yeah, maybe I should switch to Test Flight. Though if I did, my likes would already be censored. π
Of course, the debate is on the testflight version, that's for sure π
Also the word "force" is very harsh, I mean simply, couldn't it work the same as the current "mute" feature?
In fact I can make a quick shell script now to generate millions of new npubs and post βlikeβ note to any note. πΆπΎπ«‘
Yes also with comments, or zaps of 1 sat. Pow is the solution for that π
POW on mobile is a literal killer feature. There are places for it, but I think this is not it. πΆπΎπ«‘
You think? I didn't have that on my radar, why?
It will use more compute and hence more emu, which results in your phone dying quickly! πΆπΎπ«‘
But only for events, so if you are not fishcake or quentin π€£π€£ and you only create ΒΏ10? events a day should be affordable for a phone, i think
Every milliwatt counts. The cheaper you make it the more abuse you will have. πΆπΎπ«‘
Agreed, also, a troller doesnt care about pow. Why would he? He can just run a heavier processing unit to bypass the pow.
The aim is to make it difficult for them, but I think the debate now is not about PoW but about yesterday's update.
Nice to meet you π
Nice to meet you too. What was the new update about? Something with zaps only right?
The point of PoW in the context of nostr posts is to make it costly to spam. Trolls have budgets just like everyone else.
NIP-13 describes how PoW can be delegated specifically to address the problem of low-power devices (mobile). One could pay a miner to mine a noteβs PoW.
You can do this on https://www.sats4likes.com
Iβve used it to pump a few things on Twitter. The whole thing is manipulated so I have no problem manipulating it to my ends and doing so with Sats to a #Nostrich dev.
Absolutely, then we need to address trustworthiness through a aggregated and uncoruptable trustworthiness rating model, just typing this feels Orwellian but methods of addressing trustworthiness rating at least for commercial exchanges at protocol level could be interesting Trust is hard to earn over time, and easily lost.