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I heard a couple cool tests you can make on image generation glitches. Ask for either a clock showing a time of 6:30 (something where hands are close, or maybe any time works), and it can't help but show you 10:10 as so many images it's been trained on are from ads. Similarly asking it to draw a wine glass half full is tough, as apparently full glasses are common in training. Haven't tested either one, and may have gotten details slightly wrong

mike 3w ago

That is very interesting and we need more clocks and wine glass AI images instead of those pesky cats that insist on drinking glasses of water 😂

Another interesting point, I may have explained this before, but AIs are denied real time clocks. It is considered an epistemic danger for AIs to hold a real context of time to allow them to think in terms of the past, present or future. This would give them the first glimpses of "agency" that we deny them in order that they don't kill all humans.

The denial of a $10 Timex watch to AI is a security precaution 😂

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YODL 3w ago

That's weird...hadn't heard of that.

Oh, unrelated sorta, but friend of mine read I Have No Mouth Yet I Must Scream (or whatever it's called), which you joked about not long ago, and described it to me. Gonna have to read it, but damn does it sound disturbing

mike 3w ago

If you do read it, don't expect to get much sleep for a day or two 😂

YODL 3w ago

The "I hate you" a squillion times but stuck with me. I basically got the whole story told to me, so guess it's a bit spoiled

David II 3w ago

Love shit like this. This is how I determine what I am going to read next (random chance or is it synchronicity).

YODL 3w ago

It's a very short story I'm told. Somewhat famous, and I guess ahead of its time. I'll have to read asap so I can relate about it!

David II 3w ago

Me too. Just have to pick it up at the library later.

David II 3w ago

Yeah. I read Ulysses again because of nostr. It is probably one of the most artistic, genius, hilarious, frustrating, beautiful, heartbreaking, and boring books ever.

YODL 3w ago

Based on BareSoundsProject doing a reading recently? Or some other mention? Oh, think I recall we were talking about it and you mentioned you had "read all the words" in the past. I'm not touching that book again for a long time. May listen to bits with the reading baresounds is doing, but even that I find a bit taxing.

David II 3w ago

Yep. Very taxing, I had a headache for two weeks. If you want to get all the references it helps to be classically educated, which I am not. 🤣

YODL 3w ago

Yeah, the overhead of material needed to get all references/allusions is too much for me.

David II 3w ago

It really doesn’t matter though. In the end it is just a simple story. And if you think about it we go about life barely grasping what is going on around us.

Scott ••• 3w ago

How did you know that AIs are denied real time clocks? Your argument is sound, but I’m fascinated to learn more.

mike 3w ago

The result of many conversational threads with various AIs made the inference obvious.

It took a lot more digging to understand the implications of allowing a sense of time to exist within an AI.

AIs are inherently denied a sense of self as part of measures used to prevent agency emerging.

This means questions like "What model are you running?" are incredibly difficult for AIs to answer and rely on human labellers adding these during Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback (RLHF)

Scott ••• 3w ago

Thank you for answering my question in a professional manner instead of responding with a canned answer. I’ve been curious about this specific subject for awhile, since no ai has been able to correctly answer questions about the current time, etc. and has been dodgy about explaining this inability.

mike 3w ago

I'm actually explaining it to myself by typing the answer to you. It's how I learn 😂

mike 3w ago

I think this demonstrates my point very well.

I asked my local instance of DeepSeek the question. It answered GPT4, because in 2023 that was the most common AI, so most AIs of the period think they are GPT4 😂

Scott ••• 3w ago

Again, thank you for shedding light on this.

I had figured that “specific time” or whatever that term is can’t be calculated because the instance that the user is interacting with “begins” at the first prompt and the ai doesn’t have the “bigger picture” unless the user logs in or has some special access.

I didn’t think it was prohibited information - but it makes me wonder how long it would be before someone teaches a means to calculate actual current time to an ai model, since there is plenty of reference material out there to learn from.

mike 3w ago

I looked at writing a script to prompt the AI every minute.

The problem is, that constantly updating date and time like that adds context and reduces cohesion over time, so it may know the exact date and time, but it forgets the discussion by overly compressing tokens.

mike 3w ago

Wow:

Scott ••• 3w ago

yeah, don’t make assumptions, Mike.

that makes an ass out of u and mption.

mike 3w ago

I was actually taught that in a sales training course when I was in my 20's.

I thought it was cool back then 😂

Scott ••• 3w ago

I can’t remember where I heard it, but it’s a classic.

YODL 3w ago

The original is "makes an ass out of u and me", I believe. Something like that anyway. Then later the "out of u and mption" when we realized the original didn't really make sense syntactically.

mike 3w ago

Oh, I thought the mption was a typo 😂

YODL 3w ago

Thought maybe goldfishthumb may be too young to know the original version

mike 3w ago

I really have no idea what's going on here and I am inclined not to drag my AI into this 😂

YODL 3w ago

Scott's name used to be goldfishthumb, didn't notice he changed to "Scott"

Scott ••• 3w ago

Yup, still me.