If you're a bitcoiner and apple/iOS user, Can you explain why? This is not some sort of trap, I would really like to understand
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iPhone is a very secure phone
I mean that's not true, since we can't really verify anything.
Unless there's a /s that I'm missing.
No
So secure it keeps even you from altering your very expensive hardware that you don't truly own. Oh the days of jailbreakme.com and cydia... i remember having idroid run on my iphone 3g... if that was still possible, I would totally buy their hardware, because it is beautiful. Fuck their software though!
I use a MacBook for work after many years of Linux/Thinkpad and not looking back, it's convenient, good hardware, good UI/UX, companies I work pay for it and a UNIX so I got all my tools. For BTC stuff I use other devices tho.
UX/UI
you don't mind the lack of openness/freedom?
Iāve tried openness/freedom for years. Self-hosted this, jailbroken that, FOSS that. Many times, it just failed me when I needed it most. Maybe Iām getting older, but the comfort of āit just worksā makes me less annoyed.
My views on privacy and the enemyās ability to get you no matter how rich you are or how well you hide may have also played into my decision to relax and take it easy.
Appleās baked in design gives so much āvalueā out of the box.
I feel like Mac & iPhone are my portal to the digital universe with least friction.
Design šÆ
To me this is exactly what I don't understand. Bitcoin is all about freedom and permissionlessness , but the apple portal is all about controll and permission. So I wonder how apple users think about this
Thanks for your answer!
Probably another question to ask is
āhow can the Design space for Freedom & Permissionlessāness evolve from Abstract to Concrete expression.
Software < > Hardware freedom tech
Bits to Atoms that I can touch and feel the Freeee š¤·š½āāļø
Bitaxe, BitKey, Start9 etc are physical consumer products with that feel. But in the mobile comms space no Apple alternative āyetā
Have a MacBook pro that nearly predates Bitcoin š, still runs after RAM/ Storage upgradešŖ. Hate iPhones though, have one for work (mandatory). Can't stand it, hate there's no back button. Have Android personally. Have Thinkpad for work, also hate it (just hatred of windows). Not enough of a nerd (term of endearment) to understand Linux, although I have a Thinkpad running a node in Ubuntu. So would never buy iPhone as they are expensive and I don't like em. Would buy a Mac again (although not used one from this decade, are they still good with M2 chips) even though they're expensive.
Also not knowing Linux and having one for daily use (even with AI to help me run commands) I think would still piss me off.
linux on steriods ..
I only use a MacBook Air M1 because of the lack of alternatives in terms of quality (I mean device, not OS). I would love to use a MacBook with Linux installed, but it performs much worse on Apple chips.
In a way, I dream of a macbook-like device, but with Linux. Thin, minimalist, no active cooling, quality touchpad.
that would indeed be awesome. Can't deny their hardware
Bitcoin makes me think differently.
I havenāt upgrade my IOs device since 2018 bc Iām financing it and putting it in Bitcoin š
Iām doing the same
Kids and iPads
What is your issue/concern with it to begin with?
I was initially an android only guy, then upgraded to apple because it seemed more secure and a better long term product (Software and hardware wise).
But now I want to do a Graphene/Calyx or other open source type setup phone. The leap from iphone to there is a bit big though... so havent done yet.
Basically, im stuck in the middle currently
Android < IOS < Open source secure Android
My 2 cents
Hi gandlaf21 nice to meet you š¤š
Fair question! As a Bitcoiner, I value sovereignty, privacy, and open systems. As an Apple user, I appreciate the seamless UX, security, and hardware quality. While Appleās walled garden is far from ideal, it offers a level of polish and reliability thatās hard to match. That said, I use it consciously self-custodying my Bitcoin, avoiding iCloud for sensitive data, and leveraging open-source apps where possible. Itās a trade-off, but one I manage carefully while keeping an eye on alternatives.
A Phone is something where reliability and UX are 100x more important than your home computer. My home computer is Linux and focused on open source. My phone is a totally different use case with different tradeoffs and needs. Iāve had 2 android phones and they were terrible UX and extremely unreliable and I gave up on them. They failed me in important situations and an iPhone has never failed me ever.
ā¢ Reliability and UX are just solid
ā¢ The supposed things I lose rear there head from time to time but very limited (I donāt feel itās any more restricted or problematic than my other devices, just in different ways)
ā¢ I have an android for playing around with Nostr things that iOS doesnāt allow
ā¢ Most of what I canāt do on mobile I have no problem with on desktop
ā¢ There is no media player that even slightly compares to how good Apple TV isā¦ and Iāve used a ton of them.
ā¢ I like a ānormie reliableā option alongside a āsuper user customā option. Both are better in partnership with the other.
There is a trade off, but having a device that just works and where most things behave as I intuitively expect is really valuable. And I donāt really trust any of the huge corporations whose products I use, so the comparison on that front seems moot to me.
I say this as a person who likes their Calyx pixel, intends to move to Graphene, and has a custom Linux machine that I love about 90% of the time and only hate tk the core of my soul and want to beat the shit out of around once a month. My Mac and iPhone basically just always works for me and I like their environments.
Lastly, Mac works with media and external devices (less so iPhone) extremely well. Linux sucks balls at both and the idea of using Windows just makes me laugh.š¤£
And honestly, as far as hardware, Apple is king when it comes to computers. I looked REALLY hard for a laptop I could use to replace my MacBook. But they are in total pieces of plastic, cheap shit. Itās all just so bad, nobody thinks about the computer as a piece of art itself, itās just a plastic case to cover up the hardware they stick in it. That drives me crazy. The only device that even came close was a windows laptop, but I searched and found getting Linux on it was a pain and you lost a lot of the hardware capabilities (touch screen bring the big one)