so many Ai haters out there itβs tuff
but hey on the road to success you will piss off a lot of ppl
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I just see no way that doesnβt end in humans losing the ability to be part of more than essentially 0% of the economy. That might also mean extinction, idk. So it makes me think e/acc is not the way. Itβs a a point of dissonance in my mind for sure because it implies freedom restriction.
no way is it extinction if anything itβll be a boom of growth both in numbers and in wealth for everyone involved. dangerous jobs out of the picture, no shortage of food, etc. science fiction movies are written by people who didnβt understand LLMs, itβs pure fantasy. we need to touch base with the reality of this technology.
Well shoot. Call me e/acc then :)
But for real. The above assumes we maintain control. Were I to assume that, Iβd totally agree with you. I think the main difference in our views is that I would put my confidence in that assumption at less than 100%, and also small enough that Iβm not comfortable simply behaving as if it is 100%.
And the sci-fi outcome is not exclusively thought to be possible by people who donβt understand LLMs. Donβt know if youβve seen survey results from AI researchers, but you see the full range of predictions from them as well π«
Those βai researchersβ want control over ai, they call themselves βAi Allianceβ
Nice. That is consistent though with them acting in good faith though right? And I agree. Itβs potentially Orwellian.
Hereβs the paper I was referring to. I think youβre not saying that none of the respondents who are worried are acting in bad faith?
https://aiimpacts.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Thousands_of_AI_authors_on_the_future_of_AI.pdf 
Oops, I meant to screenshot a part about extinction. But you can see that in the paper too
Iβll read the paper n get back to you! π«‘ but thereβs definitely safety concerns!! I just donβt believe that itβll do worst than itβll do good, I believe the trade offs will be significantly good for human kind in the long run. π«
I commit to sending 1k sats your way if you do π«
Yeah, I really hope youβre right. If that happens, humans will be free in a way weβve never seen before. Itβll be amazing. Luxury automated superabundance.
Idk what percent confidence Iβd assign that vs the other outcome, just know that extinction is >0% chance, and therefore, since quadrillions (to understate it) of lives are on the line, I think treading very carefully is super super important.
But also an increase in useless people who can't contribute meaningfully. This are relegated to being supported via UBI or whatever. Then you have people who are have never fed themselves. They only have ever been able to eat by taking.
Iβd just soften this. People are inherently valuable whether or not they are economically productive
We are the only reason the universe contains wonder and love π«π«π«
I don't know if that's true. I would love to believe that, I really would.
Was Hitler valuable?
Stalin?
Terrorists?
Degenerates of every stripe?
There are some who many would agree that is not the case. Not even to mention the people above, or people like them, would have the same feeling about you or I.
And if the mighty think you are not valuable, what are you going to do to stop them from implementing whatever machinations they have in mind for you?
Thatβs part of why itβs a big problem if people donβt see everyone as valuable.
I would say those people are profoundly and tragically mistaken, and still individually valuable.
Thatβs part of the worldview where you endeavor to avoid harming anyone, helping everyone you can, but also defending yourself.
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Hell is other people, we learn from them n their choices, we make advancements in reinforcing measures to not allow their mistakes to take place over n over again.. like mark says everyone is individually valuable n offer some contribution to humanityβs path forward.
I guess technically I'm a hater. It's not that simple though.
I can see that some of the fear mongering is an obvious attempt to make it inaccessible to plebs (can't have a repeat of the internet can we?) In this sense I'm for acceleration.
But I also think that it will ultimately contribute to the continued decline of human quality.
I disagree every technological advancement to date has proven to be for an increase in human quality of life, this is my opinion. Iβm not of the opinion of βback in the dayβ we had higher human quality. thereβs never been a moment in time where humans have had access to education n resources like we do in todays day n age.
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Never have so many humans escaped poverty, never has violence been so low, never has education been so available. We live in golden times. Oh and also never before have we had such good money :)
Sure, it will make life very easy. That's not good. Hardship is what helps shape people into who they're supposed to be. We're not become more hardy as people, we're becoming weaker. Softer.
Depression is at its highest and growing. Suicide too. It's getting the point where no real effort is being made to make people not want to die. Instead we're helping people die. That's just one data point, in fairness. But I think it's important.
Plus this is based on the assumption that all advancements in tech will lead to improvements in perpetuity. Which is not likely, because all things are subject to diminishing returns.
I do agree that quality of life was not higher back in the day. I agree that having access to information is good. But there is something else about how life is now that is soulless.
Also you can't go back, so I'm not really advocating for that.
Hardships will remain a thing always, if you donβt think we have hardships now with all the technological advancements we have youβre mistaken. Youβre speaking about the west and certain European countries but the GRAND majority of civilization still has hardships day in n day out.. and if you think depression is something new or suicides also incorrect.. in fact Iβd argue itβs more likely to happen if life wasnβt βeasierβ but yeah I see where youβre coming from I think thereβs a compromise here somewhere
Agreed on the points about the west. And yes some hardship will remain. It's hard to imagine a world with none.
I don't think depression and suicide is new, it's been around for a long time. I just think these things are getting worse, and it's a red flag for me.
Ultimately, time will tell how all this will turn out, and it's out of my hands (not that it was ever in them)
Yeah I agree with this π«‘ also thank u for the conversation!
Additionally, I don't think we really have "AI" yet anyways. But even those are not going to necessarily lead to human flourishing.
The second sentence was referring to LLMs
Do we give it the access to the button?
