I just see no way that doesnโt end in humans losing the ability to be part of more than essentially 0% of the economy. That might also mean extinction, idk. So it makes me think e/acc is not the way. Itโs a a point of dissonance in my mind for sure because it implies freedom restriction.
so many Ai haters out there itโs tuff
but hey on the road to success you will piss off a lot of ppl
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no way is it extinction if anything itโll be a boom of growth both in numbers and in wealth for everyone involved. dangerous jobs out of the picture, no shortage of food, etc. science fiction movies are written by people who didnโt understand LLMs, itโs pure fantasy. we need to touch base with the reality of this technology.
Well shoot. Call me e/acc then :)
But for real. The above assumes we maintain control. Were I to assume that, Iโd totally agree with you. I think the main difference in our views is that I would put my confidence in that assumption at less than 100%, and also small enough that Iโm not comfortable simply behaving as if it is 100%.
And the sci-fi outcome is not exclusively thought to be possible by people who donโt understand LLMs. Donโt know if youโve seen survey results from AI researchers, but you see the full range of predictions from them as well ๐ซ
Those โai researchersโ want control over ai, they call themselves โAi Allianceโ
Nice. That is consistent though with them acting in good faith though right? And I agree. Itโs potentially Orwellian.
Hereโs the paper I was referring to. I think youโre not saying that none of the respondents who are worried are acting in bad faith?
https://aiimpacts.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Thousands_of_AI_authors_on_the_future_of_AI.pdf 
Oops, I meant to screenshot a part about extinction. But you can see that in the paper too
Iโll read the paper n get back to you! ๐ซก but thereโs definitely safety concerns!! I just donโt believe that itโll do worst than itโll do good, I believe the trade offs will be significantly good for human kind in the long run. ๐ซ
I commit to sending 1k sats your way if you do ๐ซ
Yeah, I really hope youโre right. If that happens, humans will be free in a way weโve never seen before. Itโll be amazing. Luxury automated superabundance.
Idk what percent confidence Iโd assign that vs the other outcome, just know that extinction is >0% chance, and therefore, since quadrillions (to understate it) of lives are on the line, I think treading very carefully is super super important.
But also an increase in useless people who can't contribute meaningfully. This are relegated to being supported via UBI or whatever. Then you have people who are have never fed themselves. They only have ever been able to eat by taking.
Iโd just soften this. People are inherently valuable whether or not they are economically productive
We are the only reason the universe contains wonder and love ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ
I don't know if that's true. I would love to believe that, I really would.
Was Hitler valuable?
Stalin?
Terrorists?
Degenerates of every stripe?
There are some who many would agree that is not the case. Not even to mention the people above, or people like them, would have the same feeling about you or I.
And if the mighty think you are not valuable, what are you going to do to stop them from implementing whatever machinations they have in mind for you?
Thatโs part of why itโs a big problem if people donโt see everyone as valuable.
I would say those people are profoundly and tragically mistaken, and still individually valuable.
Thatโs part of the worldview where you endeavor to avoid harming anyone, helping everyone you can, but also defending yourself.
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Hell is other people, we learn from them n their choices, we make advancements in reinforcing measures to not allow their mistakes to take place over n over again.. like mark says everyone is individually valuable n offer some contribution to humanityโs path forward.
there is no economy without humans
the whole scare campaign about AI is so overblown, AIs are not in any state to replace us for anything meaningful and most of the technologies they are based on already are being deployed in many products
it's just a scare campaign by a bunch of misanthropic cannibal baby rapist "philanthropists" who love us so much they want to genocide us whenever they judge there is too many of us, they have been doing this for thousands of years