Here are my thoughts regarding feminism and history. Feminism is not a new concept. It has been around since the 1700s. The original message was to empower women to work and live freely. Nothing wrong with that. There are certainly new waves of feminism that are more toxic but I’m just going to stick with the original concept of feminism.

Why hasn’t feminism actually played out sooner? Propaganda has existed long before this modern era as well so you can’t argue that it’s brainwashing.

What history shows us is that ideological movements cannot succeed without an accompanying technological innovation. The Protestant movement had the printing press. The Industrial Revolution had the steam engine. Without gun powder, we’d still be living in a medieval feudal system. These technologies were essential for the success of the movement. So an ideology needs a new piece of technology for it to spread. And if that’s the case, then I would argue that the technology is actually more important than the ideology. We believe Bitcoin will succeed because it is a world changing technology, not because we think that the ideology of sound hard money will gather up the masses for a common goal. If the ideology was the most important factor, then bitcoin wouldn’t fix the fiat problem.

So what is the technology that actually led to the seemingly successful feminist movement? It’s birth control. Birth control is the most important factor that led to the liberation of women. Not liberating them from men but from their reproductive biology. For the first time, women could delay childbearing. Casual sex became free of risk for men and women. A woman at the age of 18 could choose to get married or try her hand in a career. If she didn’t like her career, she could just abandon it and get married. Since childbearing is an irreversible commitment, many women choose to pursue careers at first. Some choose to travel and experience things that she wouldn’t be able to experience as a mother. It’s actually a reasonable decision given the risks. She can have kids later.

Now obviously this doesn’t work out for everyone. Some struggle to find suitable men and miss their chance at having children. These are the stories that people remember and feminism gets blamed. But I think that the lack of suitable men is more to do with fiat. The fact is that if you believe in freedom, then women’s right to freely choose how they live their life must be respected. Even if it were true that most women would be happier becoming mothers instead of boss girls, it’s their right to learn that for themselves. I have personally met women who never had children and don’t regret it. I’ve also met women who had children young and regret not delaying it. And some women won’t even believe that they’d be happier as a housewife without trying a career path first. Just like how poor people will never believe that being rich doesn’t make you happy. Let people make their own decisions about their life: they’re the ones who have to live with the regrets of whatever decision they make.

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When I first hit 💯 it didn't show up so I hit it more but I regret nothing, agree 300%

Thanks for taking the time to read it! 🫡

There are bits in there we can find common groubd on. A few points of divergence:

Feminism is predicated upon egalitarianism, which is a poison to civilization and cuts against the grain of God's design for man and woman. And this is evidenced, in part, in a key point you make: that through technology women have achieved "liberation" from their reproductive biology.

Only through technological domination of nature have women done this, and have lost sight of their unique design and purpose in the world, their unique glory. They try to be "more like men" and lose themselves.

The technology of birth control gave women the illusion that they can deny one of the principle things that make them who they are. As if their biology is a prison and children are a punishment. It is such a perverse inversion of the truth that it ultimately leads to dehumanizing and destroying women and children. There is a through line from brith control to abortion, by the way.

There is also no such thing as "casual sex" or sex "free of risk". This is another modern lie that misunderstands the intended purpose of sex and under appreciates the second, third, and fourth order consequences of dislodging it from the covenant of marriage.

You mention fiat. I contend that feminism is fiat equality. Birth control is fiat liberation. And "casual sex" is fiat union. All are high time preference and rob men and women both of dignity.

How is egalitarianism a poison to civilization?

Who are you to say what a woman’s purpose is?

Who are you to claim that there is no such thing as casual sex? Do you have any evidence for that claim?

Egalitarianism erases all natural distinctions between men and women. No civilization can remain healthy when this occurs. Our civilization is exhibit A.

Before I answer you, I am curious to hear how sex can be casual and free of risk.

Who said it erases all distinctions between men and women?

I don’t recall saying it’s free of risk. I just said it’s casual as in, there are no commitments.

So here you meant no commitments? And by commitments you mean children?

I stand corrected. Free of risk regarding pregnancy.

Thanks for clarifying.

My argument here is that this is using technology and ideology to distort sex and human sexuality. Sex isn't_only_about procreation but it is_fundamentally_about procreation. So technologically dislodging sex from procreation and ideologically dislodging sex from the marital covenant is upstream of a lot of our cultural rot.

It isn't "casual" because it is so destructive.

Those are all opinions, not proven facts.

Mass infanticide via abortion (1M+ since 60s)

Rise of STIs

Increase rates of fatherlessness

Declining birth rates

Declining marriage rates

No fault divorce

Rampant pornification of everything

OnlyFans culture

Sexualization of children

Further degradation of the traditional family

The pill destroying women's bodies

To name a few "facts" that are directly related to postindustrial feminist ideology and birth control technologies.

I enjoy the engagement on these subjects but since your main retorts against me are "who are you to say?" and "why evidence do you have?" and "those are all opinions" I am bowing out and will simply encourage you to do the research here. And to read the Bible.

If they’re using birth control correctly, then the abortion risk doesn’t apply here.

I’m not completely convinced about the STI stuff. A lot of what I’ve read about HIV seems like nonsense so everything else is in question for me.

Fatherlessness has increased because of fiat. It hasn’t increased because of birth control.

No fault divorce has nothing to do with birth control.

I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make. You can have your opinions that birth control is bad or immoral. But all I’ve tried to say is that the state of women today is more a result of birth control instead of feminism.