...and now they make you verify the wallet you want to send the Bitcoin you purchased to.

Fuck all of them. Fuckers. Fuck this shit. So fucking mad. Assholes. Fucking spyware bullshit.

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KYC3 is the way

But Govt Bitcoin is so much easier! Plus they keep me safe.

Stop buying Bitcoin on scam platforms

This is the one I started out on, years ago. I went back to it because the other ones started doing stuff like this. Okay, now it also does this. Now, I need to find a new one. Again.

Yeah. People keep telling me to use this, but it's yet-another piece of software I have to self-host, to use Bitcoin. It's an entire pile of software and servers, growing up to the heavens like a bean stalk, at this point.

The self-custody burden was originally just to have one on-chain wallet, but now I feel like I need a Ph.D. in electrical engineering, just to zap someone.

I'm just so fed up and I manage and test a gigantic, complex, cloud server, for a living. I have no idea how anyone halfway normal can deal with this constant chaos and stress.

Sorry. I guess I'm just ranting, at this point.

I've held off on a full LND node and just opted for Zeus for the job there. Seems like unless I run a routing node or a business with need for 24/7 uptime Zeus is just a much lower barrier to entry.

I do think I'd avoid a laptop in any case. Hot wallet to me begs for a dedicated machine and even then I'm wary of big channels.

Sorry for your woes.

Completely acceptable. You run a full LN node with one single channel set up in 5mins. That's fine.

Blixt looks promising too, if you DO find there to be any shortcomings with Zeus. Zeus does have some acceptable tradeoffs though for things like Zaplocker or Cashu for getting zaps despite being offline, which I'm pretty okay with when talking about no more than a few thousand sats.

Only Zeus/Olympus shortcoming is a single point of failure channel. Phoenix a similar deal.

Don't really use either myself though.

I use Alby and Phoenix.

I prefer on-chain for anything over 100k sats.

Phoenix and Zeus are the 2 best… imo… at least in my use case which is mobile phone only…

I started using Alby as a front end for my personal LND some time ago. I quite like it.

We use it for the team.

You can open multiple channels on Zeus, or even a single channel that isn't through Olympus. One of the many reasons I prefer it over Phoenix.

I'm glad you're posting this information. As I've been studying the space, it's been a constant churn of "here's how to do it", where yesterday's method is "how you should never do it".

I just assumed that I must be over-complicating things, but now it seems like I have not been.

It's been like that, non-stop, for going on five years, now.

I feel your pain... πŸ«‚πŸ«‚πŸ’–πŸ˜―πŸ˜³πŸ«‚πŸ’–πŸ€”

App version, no need to run your own server or your own instance of the web UI.

Could play with one of the P2P options to get off the treadmill.

I can't be too preachy there as I do use Strike but I think if Vexl were more used here I'd be interested, and I hear it is in parts of Europe.

The war on 'unhosted' wallets rages on, moreso there than anywhere.

I guess most people don't buy on-chain, anymore, anyway. Probably just DCA in little chunks over Lightning, and then just leave it there.

I guess I'm a total Bitcoin dinosaur. With Bitcoin, you have to constantly chase whatever the news is and jump from one tech stack to the next, and I can't keep up. I'm like a digital money nomad. Coinbase, Swan, Muun, Breeze, Sphinx, Ledger, Bitcoin.de, Relai...

But Bitcoin isn't my hobby, it's just my money. I shouldn't have to constantly study and reorder everything, just to keep my money. I buy Bitcoin so that I don't have to do that, but it needs attention like a stock portfolio. And there are constantly debates about Bitcoin Core that are terribly important, but just seem like everyone is not speaking English, and I don't get why all of these changes are being added to the software. None of it seems to make Bitcoin work better as money.

Now, they be like, you'll need Tor for Bitcoin, in addition to your Lightning node...

Anything else? Do I need to learn quantum computing, mechatronics, and astrophysics, next?

Well, yeah. Probably. πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™€οΈ

What KYC service is this

Bitcoin.de

They're apparently shitcoining, now, too. Used to just be Bitcoin, hence the name. Whole website looks different.

*.de... There's the problem πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί

Yup.

Although, I also wonder if this isn't meant to slow down people withdrawing their Bitcoin. I bought it, the seller gave it to them, and now I am fretting over the withdrawal process, when I used to get the money off within 5 minutes of the purchase and then figure out what to do with it, after that.

Meant to keep your Bitcoin on an exchange, and to track it if not.

Same problem in US

Almost. Travel rule was birthed in Europe though, by the friends of Relai.

Fair point.

Its the wallet address verification that gets me.

Also means you have to always use the same address or you have to verify multiple addresses.

And I do so hate that the laptop I was running my Lightning node on died. And then I got another laptop and wanted to run it on there and see if there's some way to resurrect the wallet, but I'm glad I didn't as I appear to have a virus and the whole thing needs to be reset because the network card and the touchpad suddenly turned off, and it's like where's my fucking money and my nerves are just totally shot omg I so hate computers.

And all my pitiful little lump of money is in Bitcoin and I keep accidentally losing part of it, or killing the servers, or missing the right recovery keys and every time a phone or laptop dies I lose access to my fucking money and have to buy equipment and dig it out of electronic purgatory and hope I can access it because I sometimes can't because I am too fucking stupid to use Bitcoin, which means, statistically, 99% of humans are too fucking stupid to use Bitcoin and this is why everyone is like, please pay me in dollars.

Sorry to hear. Are you still working through it?

I have also had lightning node blow up on me (Brand new SSD blew up). I had my lightning channel backup so it was easy to close everything and start again (Thanks MyNode for making that even easier than normal!). If you have the wallet keys and backup file, you can recover fairly easy. If not, you talk to your lightning peers you can get them to close the channels and the funds should return to the wallet eventually.

I still have one old Zeus wallet beta channel where the funds ($50) are stuck in some sort of limbo and I still can't figure out the command line mess to get it back. (no channel backup because it's not self-hosted) Hoping someone makes some easier tools that don't requiring guessing at what commands are needed...

I'm hoping the channels all close again, at this point. I'm done running LN on a laptop. We have the one of the remote server and I have Electrum and Phoenix and Minibits on my cellphone and it's enough.

try albyhub

Coldcard / Sparrow / Electrum / airgap / safe

Have you heard the good news about our Lord and Savior, cold storage?

I'm trying to move Bitcoin I just bought into cold storage. That's what started the rant.

If you refer to wallet of satoshi: Use a VPN and set your Location outside of EU

LOL Just realized that this would be picked up by nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s's fuck filter. Effective.