If you've abandoned a major project for months at a time, even once, don't expect me to ever go back to using it or recommending it, again. And don't expect me to care about anything you are building, going forward.
You are not a reliable provider. You are just playing around and I don't play.
which apps? which devs?
Nostrudel, Habla, Highlighter, Wikifreedia, Flockstr, to name a few.
Coracle support has been haphazard, at best. It's also on the chopping block, probably.
nostr:npub18ams6ewn5aj2n3wt2qawzglx9mr4nzksxhvrdc4gzrecw7n5tvjqctp424 would like to have a word about Olas.
Flare
Never heard of it, but I can add it to my list.
It's a long list.
I don't think its really fair to blame the devs for not maintaining or finishing some experimental apps. but I agree with you that I wish they didn't leave them since they were promising
noStrudel isn't dead though, just taking me a while to finish the next update since I've been doing major refactoring on the 2yr old code base
People want to see activity. I agree that experimental apps should have the freedom to push updates at will, but the reality is, **with what were building**, it will always remain experimental until this changes. Users want to see/feel change, ideally without any major regression. I suppose Agile is the buzzword here.
The existing codebase needs to be maintained, while building the new one. There are architectural patterns to help with the step-by-step migration. You could have also found someone to help maintain it, while you work on the new version.
I just hardcoded a link to your relay view into Alexandria, yesterday, and I'm totally gritting my teeth at needing to rely on you to maintain that view. That shouldn't be making me so nervous. I can't work with tools that don't get repaired, when they are broken.
So, I can add "Build relay view" to my ever-growing list of Nostr functionality that I am building in order to build.
At any rate, they are free to build whatever they like, or to build nothing.
I simply made a note of what sort of effort I expect from them, going forward, and what sort of effort I do not expect from them.
Also, I have no idea why I should care about someone's experiment. As if people willing to fiddle with code bases are some sort of rare breed. As if you have to pay people to play.
You pay people to *work*.
How many full time developers are you paying? Or is this some sort of an elaborate joke I'm not getting?
If you think the only users who matter are the ones running the grant fund, then you've come to the wrong protocol.
What are the real motivations for writing code?
Expression: I write code for myself. The code is public just because I like Open Source, not because I care about users.
Ego: I like being the (benevolent) dictator. Users are here to admire my project, my code and they should be thankful for my brilliance.
People pleasing: I write code, fix bugs, add features, because I like the idea that my software makes someone’s life better. If that’s not happening, I burn out.
Money: I write code because it makes economic sense. I can feed my family. It does not matter if the money comes from sales, donations, employment, or grants.
So tell me, for which one of those motivations does working under pressure, or getting shamed for dropping a project, actually work?
And the beauty of Open Source: anyone can pick up a great or even a not-so-great project and work on it.
And it won't get better with all "code vibers"
Many devs have never been exposed to the whole application lifecycle.
It's easy(er) to just abandon all your users/customers instead of dealing with the all that bs which comes with actual development. Like bugs, improvement rquests, tech support, documentation, feedback gathering, business analysis, marketing, leads and prospects.
not to mention accounting and legal.
You don't get the goal.
The goal is that everyone uses completely different apps, that all do the same exact thing, so that it isn't possible for a human to support or maintain anything, and we all are slaves to the AI, and nothing ever matures, advances, or works smoothly.
Then all apps are bad apps and nobody can complain.
ok, who's goal?
:confusedgirl_sm:
I'll try again.
oooukeeey, who's goal?
That is the important question. I don't know the answer.
I just see that the response to "Can you fix that weird thing your app does? It's currently completely unusable." used to be "learn to code and send me a PR" and now it's usually "go vibe-code your own app".
that's superweird. Also it seems more like a fashion stuff to me. This Q it's about vibes, the next one, who knows
Yeah, I compare it to the German idiom "chasing the pig through the village". There's always another pig, after that one.
if there's one place in the dev world that is going to start showing signs of AI feedback errors it's nostr clients
feedback errors on top of endless noob dev spaghetti
A synergistic combination of bitcoin, nostr, and V4V (AKA, the "gift economy") will ultimately, eventually fix this.
The trick is for devs of good will to hold out long enough for this beautiful snowball to pick up sufficient mass and momentum to self-regeneratively roll downhill...
Until then, only the truly visionary devs and angel grantors will keep pushing their icy project snowballs up the hillside while the peak and endless downslope aren't yet quite visible...
Hang in there, devs... Or, to put it in Biblical terms:
"And let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary."
- Galatians 6:9
Money is cool and all, definitely want it, but many people do that. Having the courage and perseverance to build something that has the ability to impact the world. Few get to do that. Tell me what's likely to be more fulfilling. Keep the vision, stay the course, don't let the money (someday) change that :)
Yeah, the software pump-n-dumps are where the easy money is, on here, but I've always been the marrying kind.
That's not how we got the Nostr, or Bitcoin
