Nostr Web Client

Find it interesting, that he even looks at the Wikipedia page for "Zettelkasten", in the video, which is the basic concept behind our #Alexandria.

If you use Alexandria to write notes and publish them to your local or private relay, it works like a notebook. We're trying to keep the rendering extremely calm and quiet, but have the app extremely feature-rich. I think you're going to be excited about the compose view, which is going to be a very powerful editor for writing NIP-62 style publications in plaintext or Asciidoc.

Laeserin 🇻🇦 11mo ago 💬 13

Most of us on the team are using #Obsidian and I sometimes publish long-form articles with the Nostr plugin.

Combining Nostr, Obsidian, Asciidoctor, AsciiMath/LateX, and Zettelkasten, and then adding the twist with the ex-event citations and publishing/exporting to ePUB or LaTeX, and vector embedding navigation and event-data visualizations and LLM summaries and prompts.

...but make the interface very simplistic and quiet, so that you can use it to read, write, and share documents, on your phone, e-reader, tablet, or PC. 📝

It's really exciting. 😂

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Theo Hague 11mo ago 💬 1

do you know abour quarto.org?

Laeserin 🇻🇦 11mo ago

Yes, and the other similar efforts. We're keeping the data in Nostr events and publishing to other formats, from Nostr.

We're just going to scrape their stuff and put it in events.

Laeserin 🇻🇦 11mo ago

The difference is that Nostr 30040 events are documents in a data store, instead of files. They just look like files, when you view them, and they can be exported.

Exporting to a file is like taking an ePUB, LaTeX, or PDF snapshot of a document (and any interactions with that document, like annotations, citations or highlights, which you could wrap into the document file, itself).

Tekkadan, ゲロゲロ! 🐸 11mo ago

Did you guys ever come across Xanadu (uh, concept?), or OpenXanadu (the example app)? 🤣 I am infatuated with the idea of transclusivity and you guys are pioneering in that way for sure.

I wanted to write more in my article, about Brainstorm and GitCitadel but I needed to keep things simple, for exactly the same reasons you mention. I come from a place of desiring sovereign speech and eradicating user data from backend silos. I think I'm far more of an independent journalist than a developer, but I've always been into the coding stuff. Wanted to make video games a long time ago, so eventually might get back to that. In the mean time, just publishing one long-form article was questionable at best.

All I really see missing from the GitCitadel ecosystem is a local-forward frontend with support for different views. Of course, I'm championing the idea of LogSeq type of views, but I mentioned to JD/will that users really desire a flexible application that can swap freely between Markdown editing and.. whatever LogSeq does.. graphing nodes? Or whatever.

I am going to try and work with Jumble.social tomorrow and maybe host my own instance of it for directly interfacing with my relay.tools instance, so users will actually be able to just hop on to the same conversations, with nip-42 auth. We are getting really close to a great place, I think.

Also me rn:

Laeserin 🇻🇦 11mo ago

Don't know Xanadu

Tekkadan, ゲロゲロ! 🐸 11mo ago

I once saw it described as the longest-running failed application 🤣 or something like that.. OpenXanadu is a weird little example of trying to build what Xanadu tried to make.. this is ancient internet stuff that is still floating around in the world.. it's all based on some old note-keeping system called the Memex, which you may have heard of instead.

In my mind, the Nostr protocol provides a wealth of transclusive information. The concept of transclusivity is not an exact science, I think. I see many examples of it in various things. I assume when a traditional web article embeds a Tweet- this is transclusive. The Tweet exists somewhere else, but has been embedded, and provides a source.

You and Citadel are very familiar with it, for sure. OpenXanadu is just a fun visualization of what the old attempts at (LogSeq) looked like.

xanadu.com/tech

open.xanadu.com (lol)

xanadu.com/xuDemoPage.html (kind of interesting actually)

https://xanadu.com/xanademos/MoeJusteOrigins.html

Laeserin 🇻🇦 11mo ago

Web articles don't actually embed the tweet, tho, they just link and reference them with a hyperlink. GitCitadel is literally embedding them, so that the referenced document is present in the referencing document.

Tekkadan, ゲロゲロ! 🐸 11mo ago

Correct, yes. I tend to lose people when I break out the word transclusive 🤣 But you understand it just fine. In this way, Nostr is not truly transclusive except in the way GitCitadel is approaching event structuring.

Which, come to think of it, is why I get so damn confused when I read about it 💀

Laeserin 🇻🇦 11mo ago

We confuse literally everyone. 😂

Nobody gets where we're going with this, but it's gonna be lit.

Tekkadan, ゲロゲロ! 🐸 11mo ago

Lit is an understatement. I'm here to help. Especially with design because I fucking suck at coding. 😭 When I meet the right devs it's game over.

Worst case scenario, I'll become the right dev.

But seriously did I read kind 1A earlier? I'm deceased 😭 God why do I desire so much sovereignty

Laeserin 🇻🇦 11mo ago

I had NIP-A1, but I've changed it to NIP-A4.

Tekkadan, ゲロゲロ! 🐸 11mo ago

*nervous laughter* 😅 When is the next webinar session for Alexandria? Or like dev call? I crave knowledge, and you have a library. Let me meet your people. I'm free until I perish. Life is Nostr. Nostr is life.

Laeserin 🇻🇦 11mo ago

I might stream a demo, from Constance meetup.

Tekkadan, ゲロゲロ! 🐸 11mo ago

When I wake up, I'll give an earnest attempt at reading about Alexandria and its relevant specs. Dreaming of a transclusive and omnipotent protocol.