Here’s an observation about shitty Twitter algorithms.

I’ve actually never blocked or muted anyone on Twitter. Never felt the need. 690k followers, countless comments, no filters.

If someone is an ass, I tend to just ignore them or akido them and move on.

I just went over to Twitter and checked my notifications. Some guy posted in an unusually negative way in one of my threads. For a brief moment, I was provoked. But then I looked: he has 8,700 posts and 6 followers. Briefly skimming his profile, it is pure negativity. Imagine this. Like actually take a moment to think about what that process feels like for him, let alone how he impacts others.

Posting eight thousand and seven hundred times, mostly negatively, and after well more than a thousand of those posts, someone elects to follow him.

The algorithm trains us to see this and get angry. When he shows up in our feed, he seems like a normal person who disagrees with us. But he’s not normal. Someone like that is literally and sadly more in the mentally ill camp, even as the algorithm presented him to us like any other normal person, saying we suck.

Imagine if we had more programmable filters and algorithms. Like, mute people with over a thousand posts but with less than one follower per five hundred posts. That filters him out, similarly to how we would visually filter out and thus physically avoid a man holding his own shit in his hand in public on a street, who needs help but not public attention and proximity.

The centralized algorithms we have normalized, are not real life.

We give people virtual access that we would not do publicly, partially because we can program our real-life algorithms with various behavior rules that we can’t do on most virtual platforms.

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Gostei da ideia! 👍

Nah mad respect

The guy in the picture has the skills to get followers. The real version would be a guy holding his own shit walking near you.

Sounds like you’re just getting too much attention and getting picky. I’m like:

Is this the Aikido you were talking about

I am forever grateful that you give so much of your time to help others Lyn. Is there an algorithm for people like you or do we just trust our hearts and minds to attract love into our lives?

> "the algorithm presented him to us like any other"

what do you mean by that? maybe algorithm just did nothing

That’s the thing. All of our normal real-life interactions have algorithms. But in the centralized virtual world, we have little or no programmability for who we allow near us. No heuristics.

a while back, I was using a dating site. and after some time I understand that that every person I meet in real life is filtered. literally. I'm a programmer, my circle is programmers and people around them. I can't meet a bank clerk ) My wife for example is IT manager. But person from dating site it is just random and that experience was so weird.

Jack wanted to implement Algorithm marketplace and never achieved that goal. Musk briefly mentioned this idea too during some spaces with Mario but seems his focus is not in this either.

Very interesting observation. Custom filters should be no big deal to implement anywhere, be it Twitter or nostr.

In the case of Twitter I guess there's no incentive. Similar to how governments needs crises to thrive.

So this is a legit question. When do you leave twitter and go nostr only? I had 500 followers over there and it had nothing to do with my livelihood, so it wasn’t hard for me. I get that going nostr only comes at a higher cost for you.

What mind thinks they rise up by tearing others down? Never understood this.

These types are going down and taking everybody with them. I believe it's the effect of years of doomscrolling. Touching grass helps. For me Twitter or Instagram are now nothing more than a cancer.

“Weird”

I think if you see every user on Twitter, for example, not as a person, but as one of countless data points and then analyze the "movements" of the data points as a swarm...

...only then do the desired analyses emerge.

I would be very curious to see if these "data points" recognize this and change their behavior as a swarm.

At this moment, I would love to be an observing fly on the wall in the monitoring room of the astonished analysts.

Oh, wow! I like this analogy. Never thought about it like that. But are you sure he’s not a bot? We don’t have the bot problem in the real world.

Oh but we do, you are just not forced to interact with all of them in real life, like that man holding his own shit, you avoid them, skirt them.

Thus, you think there are no Bots in real life.

There are not if you believe in human dignity.

Thank you, I needed this.

You just laid out requirements for a dev - thanks Lyn.

could be a bot

love this lyn!

Maybe we should put our nutsacks on the line. Too many down votes and you loose ya nuts! :-)

Web of trust settings could push this stuff to the bottom / out of view.

This is so interesting. I take the opposite approach and block almost everyone (which must be mostly bots) with the goal of quality over quantity.

This is obviously easier for me since it means vetting maybe 10 follows a week. My follower count remains low, but I’m not trying to promote anything.

Instead of followers I have found something closer to real life connections or, for some, at least like high quality shareholders and try and provide a true relationship to them as well.

economy of the eyeballz...I need to cut my x activity, too.

They know this well and do it on purpose, people who get emotionally trigger tend to come back. Same with news!

but still, I thought we are blaming social media for algorithms and not lack of them

Excellent point of view

you ARE going to get me to dump Twitter, aren’t you?

This is so on point! Lyn your ways with words is really helping to awaken people thank you 🙏

Check his sign up date. Could be an AI lol

Zaps remove the incentive to create rage bait for view and like but instead promote to be ourselves and act with diplomacy. I love nostr so much.

If I could have any algorithm, it would be to show me posts sorted by

post engagement / avg. engagement for that user.

example:

If Elon Musk posts something and gets 1 million likes, but usually gets 10 million likes, I don't want to see that post.

In contrast, if some random person I follow posts something that gets 100 likes, but that person usually gets 1 like, I really want to see that post.

This is correct, although the problem is fairly easily solved by just using the block feature for now. I used to be against that, and for freedom of interaction, but as with anything jerks abused it and made that model less appealing. Blocking seals off access to bad actors and my threshold for unacceptable behavior is now lower than it once was.

As for who gains followers on Twitter / X, it's a bit of a black box. Supposedly anyone who goes sufficiently viral gains followers. But a lot of, frankly, bad content gets boosted that way. I would not equate high followers = high quality account, not even close. And then too, we are supposed to believe that no astroturfed presences are boosted, which I frankly don't believe. The amount of fake accounts, grifters and obviously 'turfed accounts over there is higher than ever under the new ownership.

good point. I'd also like to be able to scroll through a feed of shit holding humans from time to time. like digital "people watching" in vegas

Let’s make NOSTR the positive place. I love that concept.

He is not real

yeah. Sounds like a bot.

The users followers were also probably a bot

At what point would you consider leaving X and going nostr only?

that algorithm idea is pretty good

This was one of the reasons I stopped posting on Tiktok. I card a lot about the folks I was serving (hispanics & technology education) but I underestimated the social consequences of the coding bear market.

The financial/economic consequences wasn't a big deal - I very much enjoy scarcity and doing more with less - but the social consequences were shocking. Apathy, cynicism and just plain cyber-bullying became normalized over the emotional state of the bull market, which was optimism, hope and excitement for the future.

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He's probably vaccinated