Watched The Great Flood last night. Started out ok, but quickly went downhill into nonsense. Not based in any reality and reaches some very odd conclusions.
Discussion
Haven't heard of this yet. Thanks for putting it on my radar. Gonna check this out.
I'm wondering if it is meant to be like a modern version of a global flood event, i.e. Noah's ark or the Epic of Gilgamesh or the many legends and myths from around the world?
I don’t want to answer because it may spoil it.
OK, yeah, the way they presented it is absurd. The timing is nowhere near realistic for the scenario presented.
A global flood is an impossibility. But it’s fun seeing them make stuff up 🤣
I wouldn't go so far as to say it is an impossibility. There's a ton of evidence suggesting that pole flips happen periodically. We can roughly estimate how much net torque bears upon the lithosphere however we do not know what induces sufficient fluidity in the asthenosphere to cause the slippage. The US Air Force, a polymath scientist assigned to ARPA projects, and Professor Charles Hapgood all seem to converge on the pole flip theory. Einstein too.
The following is from my research notes:
When discussing the subject of ancient apocalypses, the name Graham Hancock is likely to be invoked. Graham is no stranger to the Earth crust displacement theory as he has written extensively about the work of Professor Charles Hapgood. In fact, Graham’s very first chapter of his book “Fingerprints of the Gods: The Evidence of Earth’s Lost Civilization” covers Hapgood’s theory. Albert Einstein was one of the first to realize the profundity of Hapgood’s thesis, even writing the foreword for Hapgood’s book.
Einstein said of Hapgood’s work “I frequently receive communications from people who wish to consult me concerning their unpublished ideas [Einstein observed]. It goes without saying that these ideas are very seldom possessed of scientific validity. The very first communication, however, that I received from Mr. Hapgood electrified me. His idea is original, of great simplicity, and – if it continues to prove itself – of great importance in everything that is related to the history of the earth’s surface.”
Einstein’s summary of Hapgood’s findings states that “in a polar region there is continual deposition of ice, which is not symmetrically distributed about the pole. The earth’s rotation acts on these unsymmetrically deposited masses, and produces centrifugal momentum that is transmitted to the rigid crust of the earth. The constantly increasing centrifugal momentum produced in this way will, when it has reached a certain point, produce a movement of the earth’s crust over the rest of the earth’s body…”
There is not enough water volume on our planet for a global flood. So yes it’s an impossibility.
The planet is like 75% covered by water...
Yes. To have a global flood you’d need several oceans worth of water volume to be added to our planet. This means a swarm of comets that might contain that much volume, and the practicality of that is nearly 0
You obviously didn't read my other message and if you did, you haven't thought it through. Again, Einstein was no dumb ass so you might want to check yourself and go read that. ARPA engineers aren't idiots either. Again, we know that there are 100s of quintillions of ton-miles of torque being exerted on the lithosphere by the asymmetrically distributed land masses. The only question is what induces the fluidity in the asthenosphere. It's probably something similar to magnetohydrodynamic energy.
https://video.nostr.build/00a734d5afb90c195d3087632b758f1bcbc15c04a8801b14de8cf41ec13e6621.mp4
Even with crust displacement you would not have global flooding. Mega tsunami is literally impossible in an open ocean. You need geographic constraint and height for those.
When literally every tectonic plate is shifting all at once and the ocean water has angular momentum from west to east, there would be inundation of lands and not just one tsunami, but many tsunamis. With ice caps being gyroscopically mediated to the equator getting melted by the sun unmitigated by a magnetosphere at peak weakness, there would be huge weather systems that would cause further chaos.
The surface area of oceans makes it impossible to have mega tsunamis. Tectonic shifts happen over millions of years and no pole shift is going to change that. I think you’re imagining something that literally never happens. A magnetic pole reversal does happen but has no associated behaviors you seem to prescribe to this event.
A regular tsunami, or multiple tsunamis won’t cover even 70% of land mass (my estimate) but would probably destroy coastlines.
Why are there high elevation strata of mountain rock containing marine fossils?
Why have beaches of sand formed from ocean wave action at 1,500-foot-high altitudes in the mountains of Italy?
Observations from around the globe show that almost all of the land areas of the earth have been glaciated at some point in the past including parts of Africa, India, and South America that are presently located on or near the equator. If global temperatures dropped to levels sufficient to glaciate even the equator at some time in the past, all life on earth would have been destroyed. If, however, Africa, India, and South America which are presently located in tropical locales were ever located in geographic polar regions and later shifted to their present locations, the evidence of glaciation in these locations is not at all mysterious.
Svalbard, formerly known as Spitzbergen, is an island well within the Arctic circle that is now snow and icebound most of the year. Despite this, there Is ample evidence that tropical corals once grew on the shores of the island. Spitzbergen also has considerable coal deposits that attest to the island’s once-temperate or tropical climate. Coal deposits are evidence of forestation in the past. Water lily fossils have been found at Svalbard embedded in lignite also confirming the island once had a warm and marshy environment. Perhaps the best piece of evidence from Svalbard is the prehistoric frozen trees unearthed there that have no rings. Rings occur in trees due to seasons so for a tree to have no rings, it must have grown in a location where there are no seasons. There is only one place on earth that has no seasons: the equator. It stands to reason that, at some point in time, Svalbard was at or near the equator.
There’s a coral reef on the floor of the Arctic Ocean. Coral reefs form in warm, shallow, clear tropical and sub-tropical waters. There are 2 possible explanations for this. Either the whole earth was once much warmer than it is now, or the poles were previously in different locations relative to the Earth’s crust. If the Earth was warmer, on average, by 10 degrees Celsius, the Arctic Ocean could have supported the growth of that coral reef, however, cold-adapted species would have been wiped out along with basically all marine life, meaning that it is more likely that the poles were previously in different locations relative to the Earth’s crust.
Admiral Byrd’s 1933-1935 Antarctic expedition yielded the discovery of leaf stem imprints and fossilized wood under the snow and ice. Sir Ernest Shackleton found coal beds within 200 miles of the geographic south pole. Both discoveries, and in particular, Shackleton’s coal beds, count as evidence of massive primeval forestation in Antarctica. Massive forestation does not occur in places where there are six months of darkness each year.
Also found near the south pole were the fossilized footprints of a prehistoric mammal-like reptile. Since reptiles are known to be cold-blooded and need the warmth of the environment to sustain their body heat, it is evident that the Antarctic did not always have a cold climate. There are cold-blooded species that can survive in cold environments through different, specific adaptations so it is possible that this prehistoric mammal-like reptile was such a species. It’s also possible that this ancient life form was not native to the south pole and was merely transported there by some kind of natural forces. An alternative, viable explanation is that Antarctica has not always been located at the geographic south pole.
The New Siberian Islands, located about 200 miles off the northern coast of Siberia, are almost literally composed of the bones and remains of multitudes of prehistoric mammoths, saber-toothed cats, giant beavers the size of goats, prehistoric rhinoceros, buffalo, deer, horses, and other small mammals. How could so many of these animals that were also found throughout Siberia and Alaska be frozen intact within the ground in such a way that thousands of years later their flesh, when thawed, was said to be edible? At one Russian scientist’s banquet at the Moscow Academy of Sciences in the 1930s, the main course was mammoth steaks. Another question is how the frozen tundra of northern Siberia and Alaska could have supported such large populations of prehistoric mammals, unless the earth once had a much warmer climate or the Arctic was previously not located at the geographic north pole. Again, if the entire Earth was much warmer, cold-adapted species and most marine life would have been wiped out so it seems likely that Siberia and Alaska were once located somewhere with a warmer climate.
Perhaps the most noted of the thousands of ancient animals found in that area was the Beresovka mammoth found near the Beresovka River in northern Siberia. It had a pink skull due to hemorrhaging in the head along with an erection which shows that it suffocated to death in the surrounding homogenous muck. Biologist Ivan T Sanderson approached this discovery from a frozen-foods vantage point. When you freeze meat, the problem is to freeze it fast enough so the moisture content contained in the meet doesn’t have time to form large crystals while freezing. The faster the freeze, the smaller the crystals. If you freeze the meat too slowly, the moisture will form crystals large enough to destroy the fibrous structure of the meat which, when defrosted, will be nothing more than a mass of goo unfit to eat or cook. The larger the piece of meat to be frozen, the more difficult it is to freeze it fast enough.
The Beresovka mammoth was several tons when it was dissected in 1901 by Russian scientists, they recorded that even the innermost lining of the stomach had a perfectly preserved fibrous structure indicating that his body heat had been removed by some super-prodigious process in nature. The American Frozen Foods Institute was consulted and weeks later they concluded it was impossible with all their engineering and scientific knowledge. Furthermore, they looked to nature and concluded there was no known process that could accomplish the feat. The American Frozen Foods Institute did say that the temperature would have had to have been lowered by about 140 degrees Fahrenheit (78 Celsius) from its normal temperature and it must be accomplished in an absolute outside time limit of approximately four hours. In reality it needed to be more like 2 hours or less.
The Institute did not account for 2 factors. First, it wasn’t just the Beresovka mammoth that was being frozen. It was the entire strata of muck in which the mammoth suffocated that was having heat removed from it. Second is the mammoth’s erection which was also frozen which tells us that the entire strata of muck and the outer portions of the mammoth were frozen in about 1 minute, possibly less.
Another couple points of interest about the Beresovka mammoth are the fact that one foreleg, some ribs, and its pelvis were fractured. Consider how strong a mammoth’s leg bones and pelvic bone would have to be in order to support the weight of a body that weighs several tons. Also, the mammoth was found with frozen buttercups in its mouth. These facts indicate that something extremely violent and sudden happened to it while it was simply going about its day eating some food.
Sticking to the topic of megafauna, there are footprints of dinosaurs imprinted in beds of exposed river mud that got frozen, like the Beresovka mammoth, before the prints could deteriorate. These footprints remained frozen and were preserved for thousands of years. This gave time for the mud to ossify, allowing us to witness dinosaur footprints in rock beds today.
Another curiosity of earth is the apparent uninterrupted evolution on the Galapagos Islands over the last 11,000 years. Specifically, both the Malay Peninsula and the Galapagos are of interest as both are now both rife with lizard life. Punctuated equilibrium is the idea that we typically see discontinuities in the evolutionary pattern for each species with clear epochs distinguished by particular characteristics. For example, the New Siberian Islands previously mentioned had goat sized beavers yet now Earth has no goat sized beavers. This indicates that something drastic happened to the global beaver population at one point. The apparent uninterrupted evolution on the Galapagos Islands and Malay peninsula suggests that some places on Earth were significantly less impacted by such events. It is interesting to note that the Galapagos Islands and Malay peninsula are almost exactly antipodal points, meaning they are almost exactly on the opposite side of the world from one another.
There are huge granite blocks sitting on the eastern slopes of the Jura mountains. It is well known that the Jura mountains are non-granitic. Whatever granite exists in those mountains is still buried deep in them. These huge granitic blocks have been traced to the Swiss Alps across the Swiss valley to the southeast, 50-80 miles away. What’s really crazy is that these blocks sit at an altitude equivalent to the source altitude. Swiss geologist Arnold Escher von der Linth and German geologist Leopold von Buch, among others, determined that fast moving water could have accomplished this relocation of multi ton granite boulders, but their work was dismissed because people couldn’t fathom how water would move that fast.
Graham Hancock, in “Fingerprints of the Gods: The Evidence of Earth’s Lost Civilization”, leads off the book talking about the Piri Reis map. The Piri Reis map is from 1513 and, even though modern humans supposedly didn’t “discover” Antarctica until January of 1820, Antarctica is shown on the Piri Reis map. This is anachronistic and worthy of deeper inspection. Hancock writes "Conventional wisdom has it that the Antarctic ice cap in its present extent and form is millions of years old. On closer examination, this notion turns out to be seriously flawed, so seriously that we need not assume the map drawn by Admiral Piri Reis depicts Queen Maud Land as it looked millions of years in the past. The best recent evidence suggests that Queen Maud Land and the neighboring regions shown on the map passed through a long ice-free period which may not have come completely to an end until about 6,000 years ago. This evidence, which we shall touch upon again in the next chapter, liberates us from the burdensome task of explaining who or what had the technology to undertake an accurate survey of Antarctica in say, 2,000,000 B.C. long before our own species came into existence. By the same token, since mapmaking is a complex and civilized activity. It compels us to explain how such a task could have been accomplished even 6,000 years ago, well before the development of the first true civilizations recognized by historians."
Then there are the legends and myths. According to Chan Thomas, in Tierra del Fuego at the southern tip of South America, there is the story of the day the sun set in the wrong direction and in Peru, there is the story of the day the sun stood still. Thomas also points out that there are Malayan and Sumatran legends from tribal aborigines of what they called “the long night”.
In the Kolbrin’s “Book of Creation”, chapter 3 is called “The Destruction and Re-Creation”. It contains a cataclysm narrative involving a great flood or inundation. Summarizing the post-flood circumstances, it reads “Life was renewed, but it was different. Man survived, but he was not the same. The sun was not as it had been and a moon had been taken away.” This may be interpreted to mean that the course that the sun normally took through the sky was not the same as it was before and that an evening’s worth of the moon’s presence, or one night, was taken away, lost, or, in other words was not experienced as was normally expected.
Then, of course, there are the linguistic curiosities, like the similarity of languages the world over from the family of Polynesian tongues to Greek to Egyptian to Mayan to Yakut to the Oriental family of languages, and more.
lol now you’re pasting a book at me… like I said localized flooding in contained geographic regions happens. There are mega tsunamis in valleys and mountainous regions - and precisely why you find marine deposits … but that does not mean you had global flooding.
You said I'm imagining things that don't happen so I shared with you a bunch of things that have happened that nobody can explain other than the pole flip hypothesis people.
You didn't read it. It's only 5 pages of my 26 pages of notes. What you're saying does not account for the stories of the day the sun set backwards, the day the sun stood still, and the legend of the long night. You didn't account for how the American Frozen Foods Association determined that no known process of nature could have frozen the Beresovka mammoth so perfectly.
Feel free to ignore what I wrote if that makes you sleep better but Ayn Rand was right. You can ignore reality but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.
It’s fairly common in disagreement to throw a bunch of seemingly related info at people in hopes of drowning them out with it instead of addressing a specific comment and this is what you’re doing. I’m done wasting time. Do watch the film.
It may be common. However, It appears to me that he was just trying to educate you. You've admitted that you didn't read it, and are now making assumptions about his motivations rather than refuting the evidence. He's provided a lot of great information here and I'm thankful for it. I could provide you with an actual ebook on the topic. However, since you didn't bother reading his comment and referred to it as a book.. I doubt you'd read it. A documentary should be out in the next couple of days on the topic. I'll drop a link here when it's out, just in case you or anyone else wants to watch and learn. 🤝
Actually I made a statement that refuted his comment and he did not reply to it but rather threw a bunch of unrelated info with a copy and paste from “research” that ignores basic geological knowledge. This is what you call a red herring. If he wanted an honest discussion he’d address my comment directly.
Strawman
I never admitted that I didn’t read it. I replied with a specific counterpoint that addresses a part of his reply. How you get “you admitted you didn’t read it and you won’t read this” is beyond me.
I guess I assumed you didn't read it based on this. "lol now you’re pasting a book at me… like I said localized flooding in contained geographic regions happens."
The only reason I can see for this, is either you didn't read it or your idea of "localized flooding" includes the majority of land on earth being inundated with water from every ocean. If you're thinking "Waterworld" where there is no land anymore, that's not what we're talking about.
This comment is full of erroneous interpretations with incorrect causalities. I do not want to spend time breaking it down. It’s up to you to be credulous and accept it at face value or question further. Over and out.
Not trying to waste your time.
Gish gallup, I believe, is the term closest to that.
I'd say calling what I shared a gish gallup is a strawman.
I just was sharing the unsolved mysteries pole flip edition facts. Other causes could explain a number of them like continental drift, meteor impacts, etc. To be fair to the Occam's razor conversation, periodic pole flips resolves them all and explains a lot of other things, boiling it down to mostly one unknown: what triggers the induced fluidity in the top most layer of the asthenosphere by like 17 orders of magnitude for less than a day once every 6,000 years or so and what does a geomagnetic excursion have to do with it?
To be fair, the premise under debate encompasses a global scope. The pole flip possibility is not on most people's radar, so it would be necessary, in order to 'make the case' so to speak, to provide whatever ample evidence one has in favor of the theory in as reasonably concise a way as possible. With a global scope, making an underdog run, so to speak, for top dog in terms of hypothetical viability, one ought to expect at least a few pages worth of points. At a certain point, too much concision excludes the greater consilience that the collection of points, together, are meant to offer.
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When I say global flood I mean everything covered by water, not some areas and not others. Regional flooding could happen and has happened many times.
Ah, I see. I'm taking a grain of salt with everything including the term "global flood". The pole flip events would impact almost the entire planet if not the whole planet but there would be certain locations that are more survivable than others.
But, 99% of life gets wiped out in these events and that's what leads to the observed leaps of evolution known as "punctuated equilibrium". Malnourished survivors and their malnourished offspring would become smaller versions of the species from which they sprang. This is why the New Siberian Islands have remains of goat sized beavers but today we have no goat sized beavers. It also explains why each vintage of species is found within a single stratigraphic layer. There's a reason that within each stratigraphic layer we only find animals of the same evolutionary vintage.
To your point, the equatorial pivot points would experience less chaos so survivability would be greater at those locations. Likewise high elevations on the eastern slope of mountains located somewhat far away from western ocean shores would be survivable too.
Explain to me what pole flipping has to do with global flooding? I’ve never heard of this relationship and it doesn’t sound logical at all 🤷‍♂️
I've got 26 pages in my research notes dedicated to this subject. I don't know what triggers the induced fluidity in the asthenosphere nor does anyone else, however there are a lot of very difficult to explain curiosities on Earth that, all of a sudden, make sense in light of the pole flip hypothesis.
Pole flips mean every tectonic plate shifts, with the ice caps getting mediated to the equator.
Imagine you took a baking sheet from your kitchen and created a reasonably accurate topographical model of earth’s surface out of sand or dirt or whatever. You shaped continents and mountain ranges, carved out seas and major lakes, and then filled in the rest of the baking pan with water to model the oceans. Now imagine that baking sheet was placed on an airport travelator: those horizontal moving walkways one might find most often in airport terminals. Imagine that this particular travelator has a random 45 degree offset at a certain point. As the baking pan scale topographical model of Earth’s land and water bodies traverses that 45-degree turn, one should notice some cataclysmic sloshing of the water in that pan. The model’s ocean water would be expected to slosh violently across the modeled lands. Scale sized observers on that model would experience incredibly tall waves that completely inundate the lands, flooding everything, wiping out most life, most structures, most signs of civilization, etc.
I’d love to see what you’re research entails because there’s literally no evidence to suggest the feed ever any snapping or sloshing or violent waves associated with pole reversal as these events take a thousand to several thousand years to transpire. It’s not like you just shake the whole thing up in an instant …
That's the mainstream scientific consensus of the moment. The is a lot that's not explained by that, not to say one theory has to explain everything. However, the gradually, then suddenly theory makes more sense some.
Magnetic pole flip is one thing, but crustal displacement theory suggests the thin crust unlocks and freely rotated as the mantle warms up after sudden injection of high-energy (galactic current sheet). 90 degree flip of the planet’s surface would induce very large, global waves i.e. the great flood every ~12,500 years
Evidence record is now indisputable, across many different sciences.
I hadn't heard of this either. It's on my watch list now. Thank you. 🤜