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Des Imoto マキシ 2y ago

No. You do not need to monetize free speech.

sommerfeld 2y ago

That's right, you don't need, but you CAN. That's what freedom is about.

captain ☦️ 2y ago

💯

Abandoned keys 2y ago

You paid to say this though

Des Imoto マキシ 2y ago

No, I didn’t.

Abandoned keys 2y ago

Yep. Pay to poll on a private users feed which is not monetizing free speech but a rough fix to a bot spam problem is no different than you paying your isp to post the above reply. Paying for a voluntary opt in service is ok it is not an attack on peoples speech or freedom further there would also be nothing stopping you from setting a poll at a zero fee rate. Lastly if you are zapped for a good comment, thought or critique would you be monetizing speech or accepting value for value again voluntarily.

Des Imoto マキシ 2y ago

As long as you keep the free option I’m good. I’m capable to decide on my own on whether or not to comment, boost, like or ZAP

captain ☦️ 2y ago

Yes! I want to see paid polls

Des Imoto マキシ 2y ago

I can decide on my own whether I like a post, comment on it, boost it or ZAP it. Don’t need to pay for free speech thank you. That will kill Nostr in a minute.

Guy Swann 2y ago

How would this possibly require anyone to "pay for free speech?" I'm talking about spam prevention for polls so the results are more meaningful.

It's basically hashcash for public polling.

Des Imoto マキシ 2y ago

So, does the price go up if it’s an important poll that someone may be interested in skewing? If that someone is really interested in skewing it, would their bots pay the hashcash?

threeseries 2y ago

Doesn't this only skew things in other undesirable ways?

elsat 2y ago

🤝

Here is the zap polls Damus feature request and user story: https://github.com/damus-io/damus/issues/402

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Abandoned keys 2y ago

Ability to set fee would be great from 0 for unimportant fun things to whatever 100k perhaps for serious depending on author with sats going to devs somehow so a funding mechanism

sommerfeld 2y ago

Pay-to-comment would also be nice.

₿TC Fiend 2y ago

Even better, allow the poll creator to set the Sat amount 🍻

Not Sure 2y ago

Even even better, you can set custom sat amounts for each response so you can get the results that you want.

Guy Swann 2y ago

That's what I was meaning. The example was just that, not a rule on how it would work.

e8

Ralphy 2y ago

Ahh yes, the old landowners get to vote paradigm, think that usually ends well historically…

Hamlin 2y ago

Poll:

How much would you pay for a Poll?

A: 0 sats

B: 100 sats

C: 500 sats

D: 1000 sats

This poll has a fee of 100'000 sats.

*too lazy to insert fake invoice.

FloBolassi 2y ago

#[0]

pailakapo 2y ago

“Trending “ topics are what I’m interested in seeing on a neutral platform

Nicolas ₿ ⚡️ 🇦🇷🧉🤙💜 2y ago

and you think paying to vote would remove bias?... no way ... it'll add another bias

Martin Hagelstrom 2y ago

Agree, it might help with bots but would create a different type of bias

Guy Swann 2y ago

No, not remove bias, but remove the noise of the cheapest opinions.

RamenCoffee 2y ago

So, with enough money you can game a meaningless poll on NOSTR ?

It would be better to have a "sybil" diagnostic of each voting option to know what actually happened.

Guy Swann 2y ago

• I wouldn't suggest this is a panecea that solved problems I didn't specifically mention

• for **free** right now you can game as many polls right now on social media as you like, indefinitely.

RamenCoffee 2y ago

polls are especially meaningless in nostr because there's no "sign up". the pollster can flood his own poll with his own money in your example.

Yes, he could do it for free, but it doesn't give you what you're after which is signal.

To find signal you have to analyse each vote to know how likely it is that it is a vote from a unique entity and then tally from there. Sats don't solve your problem at all, nostr can solve it.

Jesse Berger 2y ago

In Irwin Schiff’s “How and economy grows and why it doesn’t” he successfully argues in the span of 3 comic book pages for why paying to vote makes sense.

Some quotes (since I can’t seem to post a picture:

- “if a vote costs nothing, it’s worth nothing.”

- “the ignorant and irresponsible will vote if it’s free, and such votes are dangerous.” (followed by picture of people voting based on looks or just selecting at random)

- “in government if you want a say, then you’ve got to pay.”

- “some of the islanders, of course, would not have given even one fish let alone five, to promote economic and social Justice! Fortunately, they did not have a voice in the island’s government!”

- “And so. With the enforcement of just laws. And the court system enforcing contracts and disputes among tradesmen, trade was facilitated, and this further increased the division of labor, increasing economic benefits for all… taxpayers and non taxpayers alike!”

Jesse Berger 2y ago

In Irwin Schiff’s “How and economy grows and why it doesn’t” he successfully argues in the span of 3 comic book pages for why paying to vote makes sense.

Some quotes (since I can’t seem to post a picture:

- “if a vote costs nothing, it’s worth nothing.”

- “the ignorant and irresponsible will vote if it’s free, and such votes are dangerous.” (followed by picture of people voting based on looks or just selecting at random)

- “in government if you want a say, then you’ve got to pay.”

- “some of the islanders, of course, would not have given even one fish let alone five, to promote economic and social Justice! Fortunately, they did not have a voice in the island’s government!”

- “And so. With the enforcement of just laws. And the court system enforcing contracts and disputes among tradesmen, trade was facilitated, and this further increased the division of labor, increasing economic benefits for all… taxpayers and non taxpayers alike!”

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