They are women. If you want hormone testing for sports, okay, we can have a discussion.
Discussion
If you have XY in your DNA this should not be allowed, period.
I don't understand why people froth at the mouth over these simple facts.
Do you think trans men should compete against cis-women?
They certainly don't have theadvantage to compete against male athletes, the trans women do.
I concede that some trans women have an unfair advantage in professional sports. But I still think its being reductive to the multiple factors at place such as how long they have been transitioning, when they started, their current hormone levels, whether they have undergone male puberty.
no. and i dont allow it for my events.
That would be acceptable in my book because the base genetic disposition is not different.
All physical competitions should ban any and all adulterants as well, including but not limited to hormones for trans men. That's called a clear, unfair advantage. Once you cross that threshold, you can't go back.
They can call themselves whatever they want, but they shouldn't try and game the system is all I'm trying to say. What kind of weak-willed, unfulfilling win would that be? Super.
Then you dont care about fairness in sports, you just want to exclude trans people.
It WOULD BE a performance enhancer for a cis women to take T to compete against other cis women.
It WOULD NOT be a performance enhancer for a trans man (on T) to compete against other men because they all have comparable levels of testosterone.
Are you retarded? We're talking about trans woman, having a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE against women. Do you know what FAIR means?
You said people should only play with other people who have the same chromosome type. And I didnt even bring up intersex people who make up 1-2% of the population. I dont think that sorting based on chromosomes is fair.
It wasn't me who said that and I honestly don't know how to sort it out but this is just cheating the system.
Do you honestly think this swim was fair to the real women?
I think it should be a case by case basis when it comes to professional sports. I dont think this is as applicable in K-12.
This is a yes or no question.
Do you honestly think this swim was fair to the real women?
I would need to know more medically relevant information. And she is a real woman.
*trans woman.
And yes, you're retarded if you need medically relevant information to judge what's fair to the real women.
Bzzzzt.
XY is enough. That's not a biological female so your argument ends right there, period.
Stop being a fucking idiot, please. This isn't a nuanced discussion, you're just dense enough to not get it.
What about trans men or intersex people. Since youre appealing to chromosomes.
You either are just transphobic or you care about fairness. If you care about fairness, then this is a nuanced discussion. If youre just transphobic, then its not.
I think you're now just creating an argument for its own sake, so you can get fucked.
Im pointing out that hormones matter and when transition started, not the XY chromosomes
I feel you are completely wrong and vehemently disagree with you.
XY is enough, full stop, in regards to trans women. Trans men I don't care about aside from adulterants being used to gain an unfair advantage, and intersex I don't care about because there's so few.
What about intersex people which are comparable to red headed people. You havnt addressed that.
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Where should intersex people know where to compete? Almost like these answers require nuance đ
I don't have an answer to that, but the fact you keep needling on about it is pretty annoying.
We've progressed from trans women to this because of your comments. I'm fairly certain you're a troll with nothing better to do.
Im not a troll. Im getting you to see that chromosomes arent everything and there are plenty of bio markers that would make a trans women to be comparable to cis women in sports.
You're not getting me to see anything because I believe you're completely wrong.
Also, your totally moved the goalposts with trans men and intersex. Those weren't the topic, yet you dragged them in anyway.
Like I said, troll.
Trans women who havnt gone through male puberty, should be able to compete against cis women in most cases
Your belief is a house of cards.
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You're a troll.
This isnt a but. This is perfectly on topic.
Yeah, if you keep moving the goalposts like an asshole.
I havnt changed any goalposts. The only purpose of bringing up intersex people was to shake up your binary understanding of chromosomes and sex characteristics.
That's called moving the goalposts, troll.
If you want to think im trolling go for it. I know the talking points youre engaging in.
You literally think the physical advantage is not a problem at all, and yet it totally is. It's a problem.
Oh, those poor boys who couldn't hack it in their chosen sport decided it was easier to challenge women instead. That gives abuser vibes, like I had initially said.
Im not trolling
I can say its possible there could be a disadvantage at place without attacking her for not being a âreal women.â Because this is a nuanced discussion.
I'll attack 'her' for clearly using a physical, unchangeable physical advantage to win a swim competition.
You can't unbake a pie, but I assume you think that's actually possible. In don't know what to tell you, if you're really that stupidly obtuse. Grow up.
It really all depends on the trans women, where they started their transition, the sport, the degree of hormomes they have. Plenty of factors at play. Youre being reductive when you say that trans women have a MASSIVE advantage.
If you sincerely believe that people transition just to gain some imagined advantage in sports i dont know what to tell you.
It literally happens. It's happened. It will continue to happen.
People transition and play sports. Provide me evidence that someone transitioned in order to gain an advantage to play a sport. Itâs inconceivable.
I'm not doing your work for you and honestly, I don't want to. There's enough of that bullshit out there where those cheaters are clearly taking advantage of the situation, because they simply weren't good enough to win against their actual peers.
If you have a dick or had a dick, you don't get to play against those who have /never/ had a dick. Complain about that all you want.
I read on her wimi that she met the NCAA hormome guidelines at the time so she was trying to abide by the standards already in placd.
What about trans men or intersex people. Or is this something you only care about when it comes to trans women.
All ready told you my stance on trans men.
Again, you can't unbake the pie. The benefit of growing up with XY changes the game entirely and these allowances for competition likely regress the 'progress' made. It's a joke, really.
What about trans women who have never undergone male puberty
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And the third moved goalpost for the hat trick, troll.
Keep in mind that I gave you what I wanted. I'm not mentioning trans men or intersex people. I brought back the conversation to trans women per request.
And as such, I ask you this. Lets suppose that we have a trans woman, who hasn't undergone male puberty, meaning they haven't developed the sex characteristics they normally would have.. why shouldn't they be able to compete.
The goalposts have so far, not moved đ
Quads only mean something in a hand of poker, troll.
Also, a 'trans woman's who has never undergone puberty, in either case, is a child.
Next.
They haven't undergone male puberty because of puberty blockers. Instead they take estrogen which simulates a female puberty đ Glad I could clarify. So they're currently an adult now đ
Simulates. You said it, not me.
As in, not real, and certainly not biological. That means they aren't a woman, in /any/ sense of the word.
Stop trying to pigeonhole me with your idiotic logic.
I meant to say induce, not simulate.
Sex is a spectrum with a bimodal distribution. They would certainly fall on the female side of the spectrum. They would have numerous physical and sexual characteristics that would align with being female.
This isn't idiotic logic. There would be no unfair advantage that they would have because they would never undergo male puberty.
'I meant to say induce, not simulate.'
You wanna know how I can tell you're only trying to blow smoke up everyone else's ass? This right here.
There is no reason that you can come up with that they shouldnt compete besides the fact you don't view them as "real" women, whatever that means.
You simply cannot and will not accept a truth the world has offered you, which is completely your problem. You're not trying to explain, you're trying to fight without a cogent, valid reason.
Love your frothing at the mouth over this, by the way. Weird how I called that shit out, too. Predictable.
No itâs just that Iâve thoroughly educated myself on this subject beforehand which is how I know Iâm right and youâre wrong đ sorry for being condescending, but you were the one taking the tone of the convo up a notch đ silly goose
lmao! if you call this "thoroughly educated" you reveal the propagandized wet sock that is your intellect...
you and your "ideas" ARE the system.
try something else... here:
https://antelopehillpublishing.com/product/the-transgender-industrial-complex-by-scott-howard/
Trolls gonna troll man, just like potatoes gonna potate.
Whackadoos like that need a stern, serious dose of reality in their faces. I'm sure they've claimed their badge or Internet Shitlord all ready.
You use words like âtrollâ and âchanging the goalpostsâ but Iâm not sure you know their definitions papi
Come to play with an actual argument instead of your feelings and opinions then.
You donât engage with anything I say. You just make baseless accusations against me âchanging the goalpostsâ and âbeing a trollâ
So if you want to engage with what I said, simply address how a trans woman who hasnât undergone male puberty would have an unfair advantage against a cis woman.
Theyâre victims of groomer sick fucks like you.
Theyâre also pre-teens, plenty of boy/girl groups then.
Weâre not talking about pre teens. Keep up with the conversation.
You literally brought up pre-puberty children, not us.
You also keep changing the topic hoping something will stick, to no avail. That's because your arguments are baseless, let alone absolutely worthless to anyone with a functioning brain.
Maybe, just maybe, you should fully form your opinions before spouting off with that inane drivel.
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Troll, like I said.
Iâm talking about adult trans women who have never gone through male puberty, and instead have gone through female puberty. Keep. Up.
Is this goalpost move 7, or 6.A?
How can me saying the exact same thing over and over again be changing the goalposts more and more times. I literally havenât been deviating from what Iâve been saying for multiple messages now. Youâre either illiterate, obtuse, or a mixture of the two đ
Fuckface.
Men are men.
Women are women.
Boys are boys.
Girls are girls.
There is no such thing as âtransâ anything. Theyâre mentally ill, worthy of pity and derision.
Youâre a sick groomer fuck.
At every turn you've injected another talking point with your whataboutism. That's why, troll.
Any vitriol tossed your way is wholly intended in attempts to help you better understand why you're being a dunce on the subject.
Stay on topic, chieftain. If you can't do that, maybe The Internet isn't for you.
You can say words over and over but it doesnât make them any more true. Cope and seethe.
lol.
No one is seething, weâre laughing our asses of at how retarded you are.
Groomer fuck.
Who keeps mentioning pre-pubescent children's genitals with high fervor again?
Oh, that would be /you/.
Anyway, again, get fucked. And stay away from children at all times.
No Iâm talking about adult trans women who havnt gone through male puberty. Iâm not talking about children. Is there someone else in this convo youâre talking too?
Keep pedaling backwards.
When did I ever bring up children. This was always a discussion about professional sports. I donât believe children can participate in professional sports.
You are absolutely delusional.
Heâs. Sick fuck pedo.
Damn itâs almost like you just make things up out of thin air yet call others delusional. Projection is real.
Youâre still going pedo?
Please continue to speak about children's genitals, fuckhead.
Yup.
Dude is a fucked up pedo.
I feel like you lack comprehension skills and object permanence. Youâre like a broken record.
Too bad youâve probably seen trans women in real life and never noticed đ thatâs if, if youâre ever gone outside recently
The men in dresses?
Their disgusting look and facial hair give them away.
Dumb fuck.
Understand one thing; You don't argue with psychopaths. All these freaks are psychopaths. The trans shooter was a psychopath, nostr:nprofile1qqstc22dcp87hdss9ava9h3yehcfuq6swy6q8ln0myphd0hz6lz5alcprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucm4wfex2mn59en8j6f0qythwumn8ghj7ct5d3shxtnwdaehgu3wd3skuep0qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9u6sz244 is a psychopath, and they are all filthy criminal pedophiles, who destroy the lives of unsuspecting children and teenagers, with this macabre ideology, which is not scientific at all. Arguing with these scoundrels on their terms is losing the argument. Tell that son of a bitch to go to hell and block him. This ideology dies at its base when, through political pressure, it forced psychoanalyst societies to remove them from parafilias books. For me it's neither one thing nor the other. It is a hideous addiction that has reached the limit of madness. An ideology that was accepted to be discussed and that has contradictions in the principle of identity. These bums say we should accept them as they think they are, when they themselves don't accept themselves as they really are. An existential alienation that they want to push onto us as symbolic violence. Don't let yourselves be degraded by this type of idiot treating them as if they were normal people when they are nothing more than human trash.
I think youre indistinguishable in your bloodthirsty fhetoric from nazis.
Absolutely not. Because pedophiles deserve to be treated like scum.
I actually shared your message with my mom to highlight the correlation betwen what you are saying and the rhetoric of the nazis, which was an ongoing point i was trying to make with her. Thank you so much for being so educational and informative.
I don't give a fuck about how you want to dress, and what you want to do with your anal orifice. I don't care if you think you're an angel or a skunk, what interests me is that if you have or had a dick you will be called MACHO by me, even if you are a fucking sissy. Because I am not obliged to participate in your delirium. And no, I will not be polite to people who want to demean the meaning of reality itself.
You probably watch cuckhold porn đ¤ with the BBC right? Haha. Its a prequisite for conservatives at this point.
Sissies are not trans women btw theyre still men
This article, in my mind, shows how much conservatives are losing the cukture war. Talking about xenogenders as if this is some widespread phenomenon is wild to me. It shows the hyteria is strong.
âAnyone that disagrees with me is a Nazi.â
Shut the fuck up pedo.
I think itâs important for more normies to be exposed to the brainrot that is fascist psychosis. Im glad youre helping my cause and I want you to speak your mind more often :)
Calling someone who doesnât think chemically castrating a child a âfascistâ is fucking CRAZY.
Age related laws are quite literally founded in the context that children generally do not have the wisdom or foresight to make decisions that have irreversible consequence (eg drug use, tattoos, etc).
If you disagree, sure. But to say âyouâre the most reprehensible thing because you think differently than meâ is nothing shy of a pitiful, pathetic excuse for a retort. I donât think you have the slightest idea what fascism is if youâre using it so loosely. Rather, I think you call anyone who varies from your ideology all of the same reprehensible names possible (racist, transphobic, oppressive) all the words that have entirely diluted their meaning post-2020 because you cowards use them so loosely.
Because youâre fucking retarded.
Everything you have to say is bullshit goal post moving.
Sick fuck.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-visual/visualizing-sex-as-a-spectrum/
Educate yourself, its 2023
That's a great article to read as long as you're conflating sex with gender, which wasn't the discussion at all, until you brought it up.
That's your 5th moved goalpost, troll.
Oh forgive me, is discussing sexual secondary characteristics in MTF transitions as it relates to fairness in professional sports changing the goalposts? I wasnât aware this was a debate.
Itâs a fucking dude.
Sadly, itâs a dude that was groomed by sick fuck parents such as yourself.
Groomer piece of shit.
Here's the second moved goalpost, troll.
He.
Itâs a fucking he.
Dick and all.
Itâs a fucking dude you sick fuck
Youâre a fucking retard
ive always said that once they dig down into that there genetic code and such, ya see, giving em BBC's for ears, hoverboards, and military-grade stun guns, it's then and ONLY then will I finally bother to tune into womens' "sports"...
Depends on the venue, in sports where there is a physical advantage, no. Even men's sports have separate categories. Why not just create a trans category?
Look, here's the first moved goalpost, you troll.
Fuck your word games.
Woman = woman
Man = man
Motherfuck deviance and normalization of deviance
Thereâs no such thing as that made up words you say. There is no cis-* anything. There are only men and women; and you are dealt your card at birth.
No ones frothing. Personally its a bit eye roll inducing, but nothing beyond that đ
Youâre fucking kidding right.
What part of them is âwoman,â including their mental illness?
Which part?
Thatâs just an idiotic statement. Get your head checked.