Why do we not hit the mentally handicapped when they do something wrong? And how could it possibly be that they are able to get around sensibly from day to day in the absence of this critical element required to teach them due to their illogical behavior?

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Children aren't the mentality handicapped a d the government is not the parent of the citizen.

Neither of these things counter the point even a little bit. You literally said it was because they don’t understand logic. Where did I say it had anything to do with *who* was doing the enforcement?

So without dodging again, can you explain the logic that says this doesn’t apply to mentally handicapped people, but does apply to children?

Not understanding logic does not equate to not understanding consequences of actions. The mentally handicapped and elderly may not. After a certain age, you are beyond physical discipline because you can understand and hold a conversation for more than 2 minutes.

How do you discipline your 3 year old?

3 year olds do nothing wrong, and if they do, it is learned behavior. Reflect on how they learned it.

Tell me again how you discipline yours.

3 year don't know right from wrong. That's your job as a parent to teach them when they do wrong. My guess is you don't have any kids. Am I right?

I have kids, and I am speaking from experience.

I doubt the validity of your claim. If you're being honest surely you must realize it's extraordinarily abnormal to have a 2-3 yr old that doesn't throw a fit about something. Nearly impossible really.

It's a people thing (kids are people), I can't communicate it over this medium. Keep your mind open to it, and you may even know someone with a similar experience who would concur with me.

discipline takes many forms/do my best

Of course it does. But the idea that hitting is a crucial and irreplaceable form of it and that the only alternative is to do nothing and let your kids run wild and become incoherent lunatics is just an absurd position and i think even those implying it in this conversation are perfectly aware of that.

I was thinking a little broader, not just kids though I have 3

I don't think I've ever defaulted to violence except with gangs/kids not applicable in this case. stay in love!

I appreciate your ethics Guy