I do believe you. I've been in that situation... The problem is, the reason hospital bills are so high is because of corruption. Its legit corruption. While I was having dialysis, the technician explained a lot about the companies that sell the equipment, and how every little thing was mandated by policy and cost several thousand percent more than it does in other countries. Its specifically because competition is not allowed in hospital supplies. Our government typically favors duopolies, not an open free market, and in the case of hospitals the specific things they purchase is mandated in a centrally planned way. And I think he got in trouble for talking about it, because on subsequent dialysis sessions I asked for more information and he clammed up.

Another thing is the ambulance ride. Being in an ambulance for any amount of time costs thousands of dollars. They billed me about $5k for a 5 minute ambulance ride, and that was before a the covid inflation, and with Obama's healthcare... Thing. Its like pretend free market. There's no good reason for that. Hospitals charge that because they can. Expenses don't add up to that. And they get away with it because the politics is just pure corruption.

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What do you think of the United health ceo assassination?

Of the event, its despicable.

Of the accused killer, he seems pretty cool tbh.

Of the situation in general - I don't think there was any way to fix it. This is the only option left when the system is corrupt. Just have to be dispassionate and observe. Its probably going to happen again.

If the question was changed to, what is a model system that is less corrupt? What would people point at?

Germany seems to be doing fine.

The problem is, people will look at Germany and think it's a government policy that should be copied. I'm sure there are policies, but they are a layer above the existing conditions, which idk but I'd bet that they are a much freer market than here.

I think we are mostly, too. And that's the irony: We are just discussing this because some fearmongers are telling us everything is going downhill. And we got to the point where some of these are in power and making their claims come true to enrich themselves. Others are in queue for power and their chances are rising.

Its probably Americas fault. No, honestly. We export inflation. Germany is a big part of the eurodollar system, and idk how linked that is to domestic prices there, but if there's any link at all then y'all are paying for our oversized government. Thanks for funding our Afghanistan adventure!

I hope y'all had fun in the 'ghan

I didn’t have any fun.

Holy chao, you been there?

No I am a pacifist. Mostly.

Feel ya. I wish my death rayℒ️ would still work sometimes, too.

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The silver lining is the extraordinary expense will at least slow us down

I hate shorts but the specific ambulance example reminded me.. Skip to two thirds if too long πŸ˜„

https://youtube.com/shorts/678hCx88hRA

You don’t have to worry about healthcare in Germany?

Way less than US folks afaik. I wouldn't be scared to call an ambulance.. Or see a doctor or go to hospital in general. Well, not of costs at least πŸ˜„ hospital is always scary

Damn. I don’t know who to trust on this one.

Both. We're in agreement

So what, nobody wants to travel to the US because healthcare will rob them blind? There must be protection for travelers?

It’s official the oracle simply says yes.

No, nobody wants to travel there because they would have to disclose all their social media of 5 years back and ICE would deport them to Alligator Alcatraz.

I heard of various German tech bloggers who canceled all their US trips, CES and all that. And I couldn't agree more.

Had a similar experience in China. Big bad China! Lol. I got a full year of full hospital coverage from about a $1.50 and it took about 30 seconds at a window in the hospital. Totally normal hospital, not like whatever people imagine other countries to be like

Ok I want the Chinese health pack now. 🀣 it's not that good here, esp in certain niches but at least I can go somewhere without fear that my kids still have to pay for it.

Ditto. Give me communist health care. πŸ˜‚

Uninsured Americans aren't getting free medical care in Germany

https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/comments/1agxqu1/price_of_ambulance_rides/