Exactly. Like should they send out a weekly auto-note-report where we could zap them for their utility? Or should they be more like Wikipedia and just have a rolling donations option? Idk but it’s worth noodling. Without relays we would all just be screaming into the void 😅 nostr:note1tdgz2hg4008n9y00jduemc7z0sy8uyf0d9pghn3tx8rjendd3hds26fv8h
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Some relays are paid and others are altruistic. If you have some technical chops or a nostr:npub126ntw5mnermmj0znhjhgdk8lh2af72sm8qfzq48umdlnhaj9kuns3le9ll it’s pretty easy to spin one up, but I don’t qualify for either of those so take with gain of salt 😅
Yeah I’m not sure my chops are that choppy 😉 but I like the idea of some kind of way to interface with relay ops
About time we asked who's paying for all this lmao
🤣 right? I do think it’s important to find a way to crowdfund it while keeping it “free” for the casual user, but I also know that’s the same excuse the legacy platforms use to shove ads down my gullet and do censorship - like “yOu DoNt EvEn PaY fOr ThIs” 🫠 haha bless their hearts
See, that's one of the most important aspects of learning about hard money systems that we really need to come to grips with. Nothing is EVER free. There is always a cost, and what we have to do is make the choice of who pays that cost. If someone steps up and says that they are willing to shoulder that burden, that's great. But if they stay hidden and eventually realize that they are unable to continue, they can either ask for help or just shut down what they have been doing without notice.
There's no reason for either of those two choices if they stand up and tell us "this is what I'm doing, this is what it costs". We have the option to help pay those costs, and I would hazard a guess that MOST people on Nostr would be willing to kick in a few zaps if they knew they were making a difference and helping to pay the costs of what keeps our communications system up and running.
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Yep exactly
We got a free food box today. It was donated.
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The corpations that donated it will just write it off.
The food companies that made them did the same.
The farmers sold it. It will be paid back by the write offs.
It was really free.
you are proving my point. the company paid for it, voluntarily.
No they didn't. It was given to them for free.
Some company paid for it at one point but MY point is the people that gave us the food box got it free and gave it to me for free.
The renumeration stopped at one point.
Some things are free.
If I pick up a chestnut and eat it, it was free.
Absolutes have acceptions in stiff minds like yours.
I just need to hold a moment of appreciation for the fact that out of all the fruits and nuts in the world, you chose a chestnut just then. 🫡👏😎😄
I can see that, and I'm trying not to be unbendable. If someone plants an chestnut tree, they have paid the cost for anyone who comes to that tree and grabs a chestnut.
Okay we have reached the chicken and the egg argument.
I disagree utterly. You need this to be true, so be it.
If you believe all things must need renumeration, I'll go blow on some dandelions for you soon.
Nothing can ever be free. Donations don't lead to good products, companies do. You can learn how to grow chestnuts in your backyard instead of buying them from the supermarkets. But you still buy them because its hard to grow a tree. It is someone else's business. You're a high school teacher.
We need people that have their incentives aligned to work hard and provide us great solutions. Donations misalign incentives.
For example, say chestnuts are grown by a farmer who gets donations from a kind wealthy man. The farmer's incentives would no longer be to grow good chestnuts but to please the wealthy man. But the wealthy man doesn't eat chestnuts. The market does, the market would have carefully selected the good chestnuts forcing the farmer to do that. An ideal market of course not a twisted one.