the devs that are currently working on algos right now 
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Algos are the last thing I want on nostr.
Even with a decent amount of followers, it often feels like Iβm shouting into the void. Thatβs OK, but itβs really going to suck when algos just make popular people more popular.
I suppose algos could be used to boost newbie and mid-level accounts only, but I really doubt thatβs what people are going to build or ask for.
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I skipped the entire Web 2.0 social media space for the last 10 to 15 years because I didnβt like the things that it incentivizes. I really want to help build real community and empower regular people to have a voice and ideally make real lasting friendships.
I sure hope they take a different approach with algos here, allow them to be completely customizable per user to the point that my algo is giving me a completely different feed than yours even if we follow similar people, having different interests means showcasing some of their content and ignoring other parts of the one you donβt care for. But like I said completely customizable by the user on the client level never the protocol level. Iβm sure everyone would be happy if something like that existed..
example: letβs say someone follows me just for my memes and doesnβt care when I post news about Ai, Bitcoin, etc. if they wanted to they could choose to not see any of that content, yet still follow me and see the memes only.
Agreed, I like the way you spelled it out and thatβs a good example.
If weβre going to build, algorithms, then I would really like to see an algorithm promoted or suggested that promotes smaller accounts looking to engage with people and even steer people towards real life meet ups.
If I have to, Iβll help build it myself one way or another.
Call it βmake friendsβ mode π€£
Facts! nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft can this work ? pls read thread π«
certainly
you can't force that algorithm on people but you can certainly offer it to them
I think there's a lot of appetite for that
I will also make a DVM to find people who post thought-out notes but have little engagement
yeah like an opt in option + customizable af
would you have to work with clients to do this or is this gonna be a nip or something
nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft π₯ yes please!!
the NIP is just NIP-90, data vending machines
Imagine if on a client like e.g. Primal, the trending topics had a pagination button and you could paginate through hundreds of different DVMs with completely different algorithms
and imagine if someone, like me, were to build a site, like vendata, were you can see and interact (and choose which one is your favorite so other clients can use that) of countless algorithms
(each one of this DVMs takes maybe 30 minutes to write)
Yes π This. Use them for new user onboarding too to help people find accounts, communities, topics, etc., to follow.
oh yeah, 10000%
How friendly is this for someone like me, simple pleb to write a DVM of my liking ? Also just had an idea, what if you create a model n train it on this data for us simple plebs to write a prompt that creates the DVM or is that out of the question ? Just trying to find a way to make it SUPER simple π
Hmm, actually that could probably work. The code for these things is actually really simple.
In fact, right now Vendata allows you to provide as an input text for an LLM.
So you will be able to tell it:
"find people that have few likes but post interesting things about photography"
and literally have that DVM as one of your columns in e.g. primal or snort or something and it would run every X time and provide you with new people to follow
Ok now that is super exciting
This is freaking awesome!
Gonna give it a try π₯
https://vendata.io <β- for anyone reading and wanting to try!
just noticed I canβt sign in with nostr:npub1getal6ykt05fsz5nqu4uld09nfj3y3qxmv8crys4aeut53unfvlqr80nfm extension, which do you recommend ?
nostr:npub1yaul8k059377u9lsu67de7y637w4jtgeuwcmh5n7788l6xnlnrgs3tvjmf check this out!! π₯
Larger than life 
All in for progress my frogβ¦
You are the ill fluddy dutch!
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that's the whole point
broad range of algorithms don't centralize among popular accounts, they allow you to very specifically find the type of content you are interested in and your tribe
algorithms have a bad reputation because legacy web needed to have a single generic algorithm that would maximize for revenue and would apply to everybody, they can't give you control over it
and that's how we win
playing a game they CAN'T play
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Iβm so happy that somebody with your values and philosophy is building on here every day
Thank you Pablo.
Thank you.
Everybody that's here now is shaping what we're all building together.
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Pablos IQ must be almost 4000
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Lol seriously where do you score?
they did a test when I was like 6 or so and I got 135, it gave me a lot of problems as a kid so I never took that shit too seriously
I met plenty of people with high IQs that were completely useless; I consider it conceptually invalid like GDP and stuff like that π
That canβt be right because I scored 135 and I am completely useless π
But I was 16 when I did the test.
afaik it's not supposed to change with age or minimally
again, it's like talking about the sex of unicorns; it's all made up anyway π
I donβt think itβs completely invalid.
As an experiment my whole class in high school was forced to do an IQ test.
Those who excelled at mathematics tended to get much higher scores than those who struggled with mathematics.
But yeh IQ fails to show others aspects and characteristics of oneβs personality. Thereβs a lot of high iq people who are lazy and lot of low IQ people who are hardworking. So itβs a terrible predictor of where you end up in life.
I think itβs more just a good test of how individually efficiently you can solve problems.
yeah, that's my issue with it; it's used to measure something that it has little relationship with. It's largely used as a predictor of "success in life" and that is so far from what is being measured.
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Difficult to please anyone.
Just keep on rocking it and dont let the bs take a toll. You guys are MASTERS!!
not even a little bit
Waste. Of. Talent.
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Change my mind.
def not a waste nostr:note10k9hwl2ums0vlhf05paxhhefn9uhxxv0czsjvzmjzgn5ug90du7qe0j2se
also nostr:note1ty4l3mtz9sh29v20v7q4dqyn6fwgfxg0yn3t4kr0wevs7wk4x5uqw4wq55
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We won't be the algo anymore.
Bye bye sharing meaning something?
Where did you get that from this lol
βbroad range of algorithms don't centralize among popular accounts, they allow you to very specifically find the type of content you are interested in and your tribeβ
If youβre sharing meaningful stuff which is meaningful to others that are interested in it they will find it
if Iβm not interested in the meaningful stuff you share I can choose to not see it, you might be trending n all but if I choose that isnβt the content I want to see I wonβt see it.
Garbage be like, stupid girl.
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If folks can FIND w/e content they please and their "tribe" right after making and npub, again, what does sharing or boosting do other than just add someone else's post to my profile?
Youβll be helping the ones that donβt use DVMs curate their feeds manually by following you n trusting youβll post content they find relevant and meaningful
Once you and all the other popular accounts do it, where does that leave people like me?
Sounds like: "Move to DVMs or get left behind"
How is that any different than another algo?