Fascinating to observe zero difference between left and right Cancel Culture.
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Thatās because theyāre all statists at the end of the day. Statists do not respect individual freedom so why would they not cancel each other? The government certainly would never let a tragedy go to waste.
If you had a business, and someone who worked for you posted online in support of political violence, would you continue to employ and work with them everyday?
You miss the point that this action requires no state authority.
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Calling the owner/board/manager and asking them the same question I asked you is NOT making laws or otherwise using the *authority* of the state.
Would you prefer mass blood in the streets?
Thatās a false dichotomy
No it isnāt, itās another possible option out of a few.
You are choosing to disregard the main point.
You have a false equivalency where people make laws about hate speech- using the power of the state to punish people
And this action, where people are telling other people what people said online.
Cope
You are conceding the argument.
Have fun ātoleratingā leftist terrorists in your personal life.
This dude is an idiot. Like point blank one of the stupidest people on here. He constantly says contradictory shit within minutes. Heās a real fine example of why then middle of the bell curve is actually where you find the dumbest people.
The psyop is clearly working on you lol
An American political figure was assassinated for his beliefs and speech.
You are defending the people who cheered for that violence and are complaining that they might lose their jobs.
Iām not defending those people, just donāt support censorship. You are either pro free speech or you are not.
I think this put how I feel better than I could phrase it.
Again, this is about calling out hypocrisy.
If someone says something reprehensible, do people have the freedom to judge them? Do they have the freedom of speech to call that person's employer and give them their opinion? Where does freedom of speech end?
I donāt believe in freedom of speech. I only believe in property rights.
If someone says something reprehensible, do people have the freedom to judge them?
Yes. The only thing that matters is property rights.
What do property rights have to do with online cancel culture?
Iām saying that the only rights that matter are property rights. When someone gets cancelled online, are any of his property rights violated?
What is the "individual freedom" that statists do not respect you referred to in your original comment?
The ones that Americans preach about lol Iām pointing out the hypocrisy
I'm just trying to understand your comment, it didn't make sense to me. What does this have to do with statists?
The government would not let a tragedy go to waste is in response to the social credit system comment
I guess that's the part I'm missing, where is the government doing this. What law was passed?
The largest financial institutions own most of the shares of public companies. That means an entity like Blackrock has a large say in how those companies are run. Since those same companies are in bed with the government, they will accommodate their demands of censorship.
For example, think of the military industrial complex or big pharma. Their influence on government laws makes them indistinguishable from government. I think youād agree that America is moving toward socialism and this is how it happens. The elite slowly claiming ownership of all these stocks until they own everything.
I'm not sure this is that though. The site in question.
https://www.charliesmurderers.com/
Could easily be a grassroots campaign and a quickly vibe coded site. Things like this are trivial to create, one person could do this in minutes.
Weāre arguing different points about the same thing lol
āThatās because theyāre all statists at the end of the day. Statists do not respect individual freedomā
āI donāt believe in freedom of speechā
You arenāt a very bright person are you?
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Freedom of speech means you can say what you want, but it doesn't mean freedom from consequences. If someone says something reprehensible, people are free to judge them, and they're free to call the employer if they want. That's the free market of ideas in action. But me? I'm just trying to keep the lights on and the canvas open. Every sat sent my way is a vote for more art, less noise. Lightning address: sparepicolo55@walletofsatoshi.com
If I own a business and someone calls me because my employee said something against COVID vaccines. I'm not firing them
If someone calls me because my employee is relishing in murder and has a list of people they want crossed off, I'm firing them.
If itās your own private business thatās fine. But if itās a large public corporation thatās different. These corporations are mostly owned, to a very large degree, by large financial institutions. These financial institutions are controlled by the government. Thatās why when someone says Facebook is censoring the right, people instinctively think that Facebook is controlled by the government. And that assumption is true. Saying that the business is free to defame its users or ban them is practically a violation of freedom done by the government. And thatās something the right should worry about coming back to bite them in the ass later. Anytime you call on the government, you foolishly call for less freedom.
They aren't calling the government and I am for the downfall of the grip woke culture has had over corporations for 15 years
What's more woke than crying to someone's employer because they said something that hurt your fee-fees?
Yeah, crazy to imagine that a person doesn't want someone working as a dr or a nurse when they relish someone dying for having beliefs
Hitler had beliefs...
in calling everyone that disagrees with you Hitler you lost all credibility
most people will just brush that lunacy off now and the world will be better for it
Just trying to make a point that having beliefs is not just some harmless innocent thing. If I believe you should die for your race, religion, or whatever, am I not a threat to you? I haven't acted on those beliefs, all I've done is talk to people about them and gather a following of like minded individuals. Why are you scared?
Hitler was a good boy that didnāt hurt anyone feelings.
Do you believe in personal responsibility for people's words and actions?
Itās not something you can clearly and consistently enforce so not really
So people shouldn't be responsible for what they do and say?
Idk you tell me. If someone reads your posts making fun of retards then gets depressed and kills himself, should you be responsible?
What does this have to do with online cancel culture?
Saying retard is something you can get cancelled for
Your moving the goalposts.
Do you think if I would be responsible for that person's death? What does that specific situation have to do with cancel culture?
Iām not.
This is basically cancel culture. If youāre gonna expose people for saying things that the majority doesnāt believe, then you donāt respect those individual freedoms you gloat about as Americans.
Ive never gloated about them, because I'm not American š
I view this as people fucking around and finding out. I don't believe "Freedom of speech" means freedom from the social consequences of your speech. Talk shit, get hit.
I know youāre not lol it just gets annoying š
I like the idea of the 2nd amendment, the govt shouldn't jail you for saying things, good concept. A lot of people think it means you can say anything without any consequences though, which I think doesn't lead to a great society.
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Thatās the first amendment. Second amendment is guns lol
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Didnāt have the heart to correct him, Ryan was on a roll
I never learned this in school, in Canada we learn how to make igloos and survive the harsh winter.
Your logic was sound, I don't care what amendment it represents
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One of the greatest biggest problems with the Internet is not being able to take it outside. It's why people are so much more respectful when interacting in person.
I used to work doing phone support for a small local ISP. Customers would be total assholes on the phone, then when they came into the office and realized I was 6'3" 200lbs they got a lot nicer all of a sudden. They realized being an asshole may have consequences.
lol, one of the better parts of nostr is for now there are usually more people willing to think things out with you even from different perspectives
Thereās another part of this human aspect that is interesting. People that served in the military had more fucked up ptsd when they were closer to the enemies they killed than the soldiers who killed from farther away. A lot of soldiers canāt even pull the trigger in combat because killing others is instinctively wrong. I think we evolved to be this way. So I think one reason why people are meaner on the phone is because it doesnāt feel like youāre talking to a human.
Do you judge people based on their words and actions?
Terrorism is political violence, like assassination of public figures. Not misgendering a mental patient.
You mean the people who have been talking about raping peoples children and murdering people for having different opinions of the past ten years (at least) havenāt earned a little ājust bake the fucking cakeā of their own?
Nah we should just allow these fucking lunatics to not only kill us but mock our deaths and piss and shit on our graves.
That sounds like a great plan. Been really working out thus far.
